[Kong]

This is Canadian built. = Cautious

I'm sure the 50" width is why its not faster. The RZR is pretty much the same in the 50"

The Can Am is rpm limited. There are companies re-flashing right now. One in Mesa Az. I plan on stopping there on the way to KOH in February.

 

[Kong]

Only the 1000 DPS has the QE quick lock in the front. Go to their site and place the 1000Dps next to the non DPS 1000 and 800.

THE "diff" is same, but the front locker is NOT. QE only on DPS models

Without the QE locker I would not have bought the machine. CanAm wasn't known for a great locker and I ride Moab and south of Moab areas a lot and need reliable locker for rock crawling. Live SW Colorado.

(Don't know about 2019)

 

[mericaneagle]

Only the 1000 DPS has the QE quick lock in the front.

NOT true...ALL DPS machines have a QE, including the 800....Any non-DPS machine has the standard visco-loc.

 

[CarterKraft]

Only the 1000 DPS has the QE quick lock in the front. Go to their site and place the 1000Dps next to the non DPS 1000 and 800.

THE "diff" is same, but the front locker is NOT. QE only on 1000 DPS

Without the QE locker I would not have bought the machine. CanAm wasn't known for a great locker and I ride Moab and south of Moab areas a lot and need reliable locker for rock crawling. Live SW Colorado.

(Don't know about 2019)

I am just comparing North America spec sheets from the site and the parts books. The DPS machines have the same front DIFF part number on both 800 and 1000. The 800 BASE does not. The same is true for the rear unlocking diff, same parts for 1000 and 800 when talking DPS models or BASE models.

I didn't see where a "Turbo" was mentioned in this thread...

These are from the epc.brp.com parts manuals
Maverick Trail 800R EFI, 2018

30

705402029

Differential. Package Base. Includes 30 to 30,02

30

705402028

Differential. Package DPS. Includes 30 to 30,02

Maverick Trail 1000 EFI, 2018

30

705402029

Differential. Package Base. Includes 30 to 30,02

30

705402028

Differential. Package DPS. Includes 30 to 30,02

 

[CarterKraft]

And to make sure the horse is dead...

From 2018MAVERICK™TRAIL DPS

The DPS packages list the following.
SPECIFIC TO DPS PACKAGE• Dynamic Power Steering (DPS™)• Lockable rear differential and Visco-Lok‡ QE auto-locking front differential• SPORT / ECO™ modes• 12-in. (30.5 cm) aluminum wheels• Ergoprint seats with grey stitching• Unique Can-Am LED signature• Painted color options

 

[TraildaleAZ]

If you are in MN then you are probably familiar with snowmobiles and the two most popular engine sizes, 600cc and 800cc. The "little" 600's will top out around 102 mph and the 800's around 108 mph. Out on the lake - Zero to 70 they are usually dead even to 70 mph and then the 800 starts to slowly pull away.
On twisty trails, it's 100% driver ability as to which is fastest. 99.9% of the time that extra 200cc is useless.
Back to UTV's.
I have an 800 Commander and 1000 Maverick (71 and 101 hp) and on tight WI trails, the Maverick is no faster. There is just no place to use that extra HP. I've even taken a 28 HP Honda Pioneer 500 on the same trails and it almost hangs with the others (thou the pedal is to the floor all the time) until the others really start pushing it and with under 7 inches of suspension it's not able to handle rough trails at speed.
If you are a good driver, a torquey 50 HP UTV can go way faster than its suspension can handle, and you will not be HP limited, but suspension and driver ability to control limited.
And because the the 800 Trail is the same high torque tune as the Defender, it's going to punch well above its 50 HP rating, and good torque is more important for corner to corner acceleration than WOT high rpm HP.
I think the 800 DPS is plenty good for Midwest trails.
Not that HP doesn't have its place. Desert riding in sand washes sucks HP and in those conditions it takes something above 90 or 100 HP to get exciting - provided you have the suspension that can keep you right-side-up.

 

[CarterKraft]

If you are in MN then you are probably familiar with snowmobiles and the two most popular engine sizes, 600cc and 800cc. The "little" 600's will top out around 102 mph and the 800's around 108 mph. Out on the lake - Zero to 70 they are usually dead even to 70 mph and then the 800 starts to slowly pull away.
On twisty trails, it's 100% driver ability as to which is fastest. 99.9% of the time that extra 200cc is useless.
Back to UTV's.
I have an 800 Commander and 1000 Maverick (71 and 101 hp) and on tight WI trails, the Maverick is no faster. There is just no place to use that extra HP. I've even taken a 28 HP Honda Pioneer 500 on the same trails and it almost hangs with the others (thou the pedal is to the floor all the time) until the others really start pushing it and with under 7 inches of suspension it's not able to handle rough trails at speed.
If you are a good driver, a torquey 50 HP UTV can go way faster than its suspension can handle, and you will not be HP limited, but suspension and driver ability to control limited.
And because the the 800 Trail is the same high torque tune as the Defender, it's going to punch well above its 50 HP rating, and good torque is more important for corner to corner acceleration than WOT high rpm HP.
I think the 800 DPS is plenty good for Midwest trails.
Not that HP doesn't have its place. Desert riding in sand washes sucks HP and in those conditions it takes something above 90 or 100 HP to get exciting - provided you have the suspension that can keep you right-side-up.

My thoughts exactly. Spinning tires doesn't equal faster or more powerful.

I could definitely be wrong we'll have to wait until next summer to test at altitude.



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[Kong]

See my comments above in red. As far as I could tell when researching the 800 DPS VS 1000 DPS the difference was one has doors and one doesn't.

You are partially right and thanks for pushing my brain in the right direction.

Except one is the 800 and one is the 1000. You would feel the difference a lot at high altitude, but it wouldn't stop you.

BTW they are already flashing the ecu to raise the limiter. (On 1000.. I don't know about the 800) I'm going to do mine on my way to KOH in February.

 

[Kong]

No, an OG XXC that will probably be replaced with a Sport. It does great. I've gone down a couple of the 50" trails (I know, arrest me) and it's not the best idea, even in a 50" it can be tough on the machine. I've seen a couple of them out there this year.

CanAm just sponsored a trail ride to introduce the Sport. The 1000 is 100 HP. Go to You Tube search Canadian Rip and see it. Impressive suspension et al.

 

[Kong]

mericaneagle Sorry.. you are right. DPS vs non-DPS Thanks.

 

[CarterKraft]

Is $3400 just between 800 and 1000 or.. between non-DPS800 and DPS1000???

I never got a firm price on a 1000 DPS but I paid 10,355 + TTL for a 800 DPS.

Y'all might no better what the 1000 actually sells for.

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[Kong]

What's everyone's opinions on the 800 vs 1000 all things considered? My primary function for this vehicle is going to be riding tight MN trails. I'm a fan of driving slow things fast, but don't like being disappointed by something that's big and slow. So does the 800 provide enough excitement to feel like you're really getting after it, or do you need the 1000 for that?

To review the other differences:

• Nets vs Doors: I almost prefer nets since I want the open cockpit feel. Side note, has anyone put Mav Sport doors on the trail yet? I know they offer extra width.
• 50 vs 75 horsepower: this is the main concern. My only other SSV experience is in the original Maverick 1000R with 102hp. It was very fun but it felt like I had to drive it slow in the MN woods.
• Diff locks are the same on both?
• Fuel Economy: I've heard a few posts about the range on the 800 being measurably better. Has anyone quantified this yet?

Other thoughts and considerations? In my area, the 1000 is a $3400 premium which is definitely considerable.

2019 Model Year

Its only that high of a premium if you compare the 800 Base model to the 1000 Dps. If you compare the 800 base to the 1000 base its a $2000 difference suggested price.

You can get the 800 dps for the same price as the Base 1000.

If you like ripping the woods you will love the Proportional Power Steering + all the other stuff you get with the DPS package.

Interested in what you choose and how you like it.

 

[Kong]

I had an 800 and if I had others in the car going on even a slight uphill climb maybe 2 degree top speed was about 25 mph. On forest roads on a straightaway max speeds would be about 30 to 35 mph and I always felt like my foot was crushing the floorboard. If you want to puttt puttt through the woods an 800 is great, if you want to thrill your passengers one in a while or even get a pucker factor or two going you will find the 1000 works but even then you will at times most likely wish there was turbo attached. If you have enough power and do not use it no issue, however if you do not have enough power you will be aware of it all the time, I mean ALL THE TIME!!

Question

Was it a 2018 or 2019 Maverick Trail or another brand?


My wife's 2010 RZR is much stronger and faster than that at 13,000'??

Curious??

 

[Kong]

You're right.. my bad. Thx

 

[whiteout]

1000 Dps all the way!

 

[TerraNewf]

I test drove both machines, I found the 1000DPS to definitely have more oomph but was somewhat noisier. I settled on the smooth output and quietness of the 800DPS. It gave me an extra $2500.00 to buy some accessories. Very happy with the purchase, plus so far it seems to do better on fuel than my 2014 Outlander 650 Max Xt I sold.

 

[Kong]

My bad. BTW the QED is still crap imho. I'm getting the pin locker after winter sets in. Tested it extensively... real rock climbing/crawling Moab, Farmington Rock Garden its terrible. Loose momentum by the time it locks up and when you stop momentarily on an incline, it unlocks and you start over. I couldn't even connect a pull some obstacles that my wife's RZR 800 pulled. My WC Trail with full front locker ate up everything that this machine wouldn't.

 

[Mavtrail]

I had an 800 and if I had others in the car going on even a slight uphill climb maybe 2 degree top speed was about 25 mph. On forest roads on a straightaway max speeds would be about 30 to 35 mph and I always felt like my foot was crushing the floorboard. If you want to puttt puttt through the woods an 800 is great, if you want to thrill your passengers one in a while or even get a pucker factor or two going you will find the 1000 works but even then you will at times most likely wish there was turbo attached. If you have enough power and do not use it no issue, however if you do not have enough power you will be aware of it all the time, I mean ALL THE TIME!!

Was this an 800 trail? If so sounds like something was badly wrong. I've got an 800 trail and it does fine up even steep hills with 2 people (mountain trails w/ loose rock). Speed on forest roads is at least 60 (didn't try for more, but it seems like it has more). You're right in the power band at lower trail speeds so the power out of curves is good and I've been happy with it, no issues spinning the wheels if you want. The 1,000 will get you to top end quicker and probably is good for deep mud / sand, but on trails there doesn't seem to be as much of a difference.

 

[lowrange]

Excuse my bad english, please.

I have that doubt, 800 or 1k both DPS. I own a country house, over 3000 feet high. To get there, I must go up about 20 km of steep roads.

These asphalted rural roads, in some stretches are about 15% slope. I wouldn´t like climbing too slow, for safety, as other drivers run a lot :serious:.

I don´t need more than 30-35 mph climbing asphalt. Would I get that with the 800 DPS? I guess in sport mode :smile:

With the saved money, one could get some nice upgrades: tires, suspensions, roof...

Thanks in advance!