Thanks Rat. I have been looking at the the Rocktanes, blackwaters, bajacross, GBC, EFX motoclaws and the other STI tires and they all look like a truck or mud tire. Guess I do not get it yet, being new to the SxS world. Wheel speed has always cleaned my Holeshots out on my Renegade. Will not run Maxxis other than to wear out the stock tires. Never had anything but bad luck with Maxxis and they are made in China. Have always ran ITP tires on my quads cause hey come from Tennessee or so I have been told.