No they are originals still.
I think about 1650 is probably close depending on how much fuel is in it.
See how close my guess is soon. Can't see it being much over 1700.
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I think about 1650 is probably close depending on how much fuel is in it.
See how close my guess is soon. Can't see it being much over 1700.
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Drama queen huh...okay sure.
Since you seem to like to argue in pretty much any meaningful thread and drop your cute little innuendos about politics here goes...
Since you clearly can't read and lack any reasonable comprehension besides what you say is gospel here goes. I gave a statement about how I felt general ST parts are of good quality. I gave simple reasoning why some are too hung up on knowing the rates vs needing shock tuning regardless, e.g., you likely won't buy springs from ST then turn around and go to MTS for tuning. Lastly, I then spoke to actually knowing the rates shouldn't necessarily being a sticking point because any decent shock tuner will be able to figure that out, in the event you wanted to use ST springs with another shock tuner. Which again doesn't make sense. The whole point being I don't understand some of the negative feedback around ST. I could care less I have owned just about every spring made from every MFG and every vehicle I've owned has had some custom valve or sprung...some better than others.
My "drama" statement about dunes because it seems most the so called "shock experts" on this forum only care about sand, meaning you if that wasn't clear. There are other parts to this country where there are trees and rocks too but you might have to turn left a few times... Just because you can name drop 5 other people and speak back to the 70's and how you got some cool rail cars doesn't mean squat to anybody. Having 8,200 posts just means you spend more time on a keyboard than just about anyone in this thread, they have names for that as well. Did you get a participation trophy for that or you just like being a Premier Member to feel important? I don't know about you but I prefer to actually sit next to meaningful trophies...
I've talked to Tom as well and more than once, doesn't make me a shock expert and it doesn't for you either. People like you wear out a keyboard too much. Unless you run a successful shop that people ACTUALLY go to, have actual meaningful racing career under your belt and trophies to prove something you are another average enthusiast. If you can't handle other peoples opinion they maybe you shouldn't be on a public forum. It's funny you know the people that actually know the difference between their a$$ and their nose, they are actually out riding, racing, testing, doing R&D. You keep that keyboard warm and MAGA hat clean, you might need it someday to get your AARP renewal notice in the mail
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😂😂😂Drama queen huh...okay sure.
Since you seem to like to argue in pretty much any meaningful thread and drop your cute little innuendos about politics here goes...
Since you clearly can't read and lack any reasonable comprehension besides what you say is gospel here goes. I gave a statement about how I felt general ST parts are of good quality. I gave simple reasoning why some are too hung up on knowing the rates vs needing shock tuning regardless, e.g., you likely won't buy springs from ST then turn around and go to MTS for tuning. Lastly, I then spoke to actually knowing the rates shouldn't necessarily being a sticking point because any decent shock tuner will be able to figure that out, in the event you wanted to use ST springs with another shock tuner. Which again doesn't make sense. The whole point being I don't understand some of the negative feedback around ST. I could care less I have owned just about every spring made from every MFG and every vehicle I've owned has had some custom valve or sprung...some better than others.
My "drama" statement about dunes because it seems most the so called "shock experts" on this forum only care about sand, meaning you if that wasn't clear. There are other parts to this country where there are trees and rocks too but you might have to turn left a few times... Just because you can name drop 5 other people and speak back to the 70's and how you got some cool rail cars doesn't mean squat to anybody. Having 8,200 posts just means you spend more time on a keyboard than just about anyone in this thread, they have names for that as well. Did you get a participation trophy for that or you just like being a Premier Member to feel important? I don't know about you but I prefer to actually sit next to meaningful trophies...
I've talked to Tom as well and more than once, doesn't make me a shock expert and it doesn't for you either. People like you wear out a keyboard too much. Unless you run a successful shop that people ACTUALLY go to, have actual meaningful racing career under your belt and trophies to prove something you are another average enthusiast. If you can't handle other peoples opinion they maybe you shouldn't be on a public forum. It's funny you know the people that actually know the difference between their a$$ and their nose, they are actually out riding, racing, testing, doing R&D. You keep that keyboard warm and MAGA hat clean, you might need it someday to get your AARP renewal notice in the mail
Spoken like a true drama queen! 😂
Thanks for the laugh sweetheart!😘
Tim
Where does the MOST drama come from on the whole forum? By far?
Nothing but attacking people non stop. Bashing nationalities. Constant insults and arrogance.
You've called me mentally ill on here who knows how many times. But yeah I dunno man.
You are pretty damn....
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There no other way to put it.
You rarely help anyone. Or contribute anything.
Virtually useless.
I have no intention of going punch for punch with you as far as slinging rude insults. That's how I maybe acted up to about grade 10.
All I'm doing is using humor and having fun with an absolutely retarded situation.
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To the OP - if you intend on doing some valving then pick a shock tuner and use the springs they recommend.
As stated the magic is in the valving if you truly want the best ride. I did a step by step process on my shock set up on my old X3. There is a thread on here somewhere.
I started off with just a spring kit, which was a big improvement for the dunes. The spring kit did very little when I hit the hard pack. Next step was some valving changes in the compression adjuster which helped and then ended up doing the full valve job. I have used two different shock tuners on my old X3. The second guy Tom Morris worked wonders on my shocks. So much so I used him again on my new X3.
I had Shock Therapy on my XP1000. They did the full work and it rode awesome.
My suggestion is talk to the shock tuners you maybe interested in and the conversation will lead you to the one you want touching your shocks.
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As stated the magic is in the valving if you truly want the best ride. I did a step by step process on my shock set up on my old X3. There is a thread on here somewhere.
I started off with just a spring kit, which was a big improvement for the dunes. The spring kit did very little when I hit the hard pack. Next step was some valving changes in the compression adjuster which helped and then ended up doing the full valve job. I have used two different shock tuners on my old X3. The second guy Tom Morris worked wonders on my shocks. So much so I used him again on my new X3.
I had Shock Therapy on my XP1000. They did the full work and it rode awesome.
My suggestion is talk to the shock tuners you maybe interested in and the conversation will lead you to the one you want touching your shocks.
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You pay someone to make your decisions and people pay me to make theirs, yet here you are.
You made your point the first time. It was just wrong.
All this talk about weight and literally no other concrete data to figure it out? Seems like you should come run this joint over here for a while.
Tell you what, I’ve got a set of knuckles with a 16 degree KPI, center of hub located 5/16” above KPI center, and 2-3/32” from kpi center to face of hub. Customer wants 30” tires and does mostly high speed hard packed clay trails. What should be the scrub radius target and what offset rims do I need to get there?
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100% useful 👍
What did I say that is wrong?
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What is your company? Just curious to look up pricing and stuff. Thanks
64 XDS is about 1500 of the showroom floor. That's around 150 lighter than a 72".
And I don't have that much stuff on it. I do my best to keep weight down. Tires, rims, and front winch and bumper are the vast majority of the weight I've added. Has intrusion bars for deer lol but they are pretty light. Oh yeah and shock tower brace and gusset kit.
ST rack as well but only a pound or 2 heavier than a stock rack.
We will see soon enough..
I will do it full of gas. So you may very well have a good guess there. I think that would be around 80 pounds of fuel or so.
And it's 1500 dry so...
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All I can say is this thread got out of hand pretty fast !
If you read my post I did not bash Shock Therapy and I did not insult anyone in any way.
The simple fact is ST might have 10 thousand different springs available that are all top quality and won’t ever sag or break but if you are considering a spring replacement ONLY, like the OP first suggested in the post, going with a set that has unknown rates will handicap him if he decides later on to do valving for a complete upgrade, unless he chooses ST for the valving.
All shock tuners will need that information to make an informed decision on how to re-valve for the particular customer’s car and the terrain he rides in. I simply stated a fact and left my opinion out of it. The post was concise and truthful and gave a nod to the gentleman that helped me out with my car, nothing more. While no one debates the fact that tuning a suspension for a particular car involves multiple factors and requires some specialized knowledge, every tune requires some baseline information to be done properly. Known spring lengths and rates are just one factor.
Seems to me personally that this thread got off the rails quickly for no good reason other than “someone said something bad about a company or person I like so I have to defend them”. I didn’t and you don’t.
By all means keep bashing each other as you see fit but in the end, it’s not helping the OP and I mistakenly thought this forum was a great place for knowledge and experience to help those who might not have that in regards to their car. I’d hope I’m correct and not disappointed. Have a great day !
If you read my post I did not bash Shock Therapy and I did not insult anyone in any way.
The simple fact is ST might have 10 thousand different springs available that are all top quality and won’t ever sag or break but if you are considering a spring replacement ONLY, like the OP first suggested in the post, going with a set that has unknown rates will handicap him if he decides later on to do valving for a complete upgrade, unless he chooses ST for the valving.
All shock tuners will need that information to make an informed decision on how to re-valve for the particular customer’s car and the terrain he rides in. I simply stated a fact and left my opinion out of it. The post was concise and truthful and gave a nod to the gentleman that helped me out with my car, nothing more. While no one debates the fact that tuning a suspension for a particular car involves multiple factors and requires some specialized knowledge, every tune requires some baseline information to be done properly. Known spring lengths and rates are just one factor.
Seems to me personally that this thread got off the rails quickly for no good reason other than “someone said something bad about a company or person I like so I have to defend them”. I didn’t and you don’t.
By all means keep bashing each other as you see fit but in the end, it’s not helping the OP and I mistakenly thought this forum was a great place for knowledge and experience to help those who might not have that in regards to their car. I’d hope I’m correct and not disappointed. Have a great day !
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You are correct on several points.
Hopefully the thread has some useful information in it for the OP. Tim
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