Alright, I am out. If someone would like to educate me then send me a pm. You guys enjoy your popcorn eating and lord of the flies posts.

 

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All I know is when I had my STU paddles 80/20 cut it was to take some of the bite out of the tire allowing the ass end to come around, if I want it to, and less drag. When I bought my car my sales guy, Art Wood (RIP), told me to do the 80/20. He told me the full paddle sucked on the 2 seat XP.

I would think a staggered skat would be doing the same thing as doing a 80/20 or 70/30 cut on a STU. The reason they have more bite on initial take off is because there are more paddles - shocker I know. I guess the best way to feel the difference would be to have a 12 or 14 paddle skat and then switch to a 12 or 14 paddle staggered skat.

 

I would think a staggered skat would be doing the same thing as doing a 80/20 or 70/30 cut on a STU. The reason they have more bite on initial take off is because there are more paddles - shocker I know. I guess the best way to feel the difference would be to have a 12 or 14 paddle skat and then switch to a 12 or 14 paddle staggered skat.

Would the skats and the Stu both have to have the same roll out as well?

I think the 12 paddle staggered rippers would have the same bite from a dig as the car wants to squat and be buried in the sand until it gets on top.

 

Would the skats and the Stu both have to have the same roll out as well?

I think the 12 paddle staggered rippers would have the same bite from a dig as the car wants to squat and be buried in the sand until it gets on top.

I was just using the STU 80/20 cut as an example. To feel the difference it would have to be a skat with same roll out with full paddles and staggered paddles. Same paddle count and same style paddle.

 

I've ran staggers and straight 30x13 skats on my xp4. What I experienced is EXACTLY what Tim told me I would. His words were, "the straights will perform slightly better out of the hole, in a drag race, and/or hill climb than the staggers. The staggers however will provide slightly better turning and side hilling performance than the straights"

He was correct. After trying both, I didn't dislike either one significantly more than the other. I stuck with the straights because they do provide better climbing ability and Dumont has very tall/steep dunes. From everything I've experienced from quads to side by sides, staggered paddles do not provide a better hole shit. That is backed up by the guy who makes all of our tires. Take it for what it's worth.

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That is backed up by the guy who makes all of our tires. Take it for what it's worth.

Just so there is no confusion with your comment. Tim makes the carcass. Skat makes the paddles. Skat buffs and vulcanizes the paddles as per dealer or customer requests. I have been working with and running Skats way before Tim designed and made the Xtreme carcass. Don't get me wrong, Tim is a good guy and has some good knowledge, but the true manufacture, The guys at Skat are the real know it alls. Just saying...

 

I never take anyone's word for it. I have run and tested both on my cars. Regardless of paddle count or style, these tires work and get tailored to the buyer. If I would have listened to Tim and bought 10pdl extremes I'd been heartbroken at the performance on an x3 in Oregon dunes. I ordered 12pdl staggered from him before I even had the car last October. Different riding areas, elevations, sand variances, driving styles, air pressures, wheel widths all play into how one particular tire performs. Don't just preach what you hear

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Gotta love paddle talk.
Those Skats Tim just took over to Ride Now. They weighed the Blackturds front and rear and boy o boy are they stout. I look forward to grudge races with guys that have them on there cars with a flash lol cause they will need that extra power.

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Would be better to see them comp cut to be a better more fair comparison. Yes they are heavier, no argument there!


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All tires are mounted on DWT ultimates

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Better picture of the scale

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Damn the Max makes them look small. Where is my set?


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If you can believe it those 32s measured out to 33.5 on the Rears on an 10"Wide wheel at 15 psi. No stretch time right out of the box and they will stretch some and grow.
Fronts 33.75 on a 8" wide wheel.

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So by the looks of the math.
Let's see.
36.4 - 21.6 =14.8 ×2 =29.6 lbs lighter Skats front.
43.8 - 31.2 =12.6 ×2 =25.2 lbs lighter for rear Skats.
Total 54.8 lbs less Rotating mass for the Skats. I would say that anyone who had any performance knowledge would say that's a pretty damn big difference and definitely gonna feel it and see its gains. Cheap Hp right there.

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54lbs is huge on a 172hp car. That is like having 1/4 of a passenger removed.

Wonder if that loss of rotational mass is zeroed out by the amount of power needed to move those monster roll out tires


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What do you guys think about the chances of rolling a bead with this set up on a heavy 4 seater?


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There's always a chance even in a 2 seat, mostly depends on your riding style. If you have any concern I would find the lightest bead lock with the offset you want and don't look back. The weight of the 4 seat already puts it at a disadvantage.

 

Thanks. The max is over 2K loaded and that's a big tire. I love big tires.


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Someone must have forgot hairspray on one of my 30s then cause just from being shipped it came off the cms wheel.

 

Lol. We're they vacuum pumped down.

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Each paddle grabs a bit less sand per revolution than a full paddle. Quicker revolutions than a full paddle out of the hole with a bit less hole shot traction. At speed a bit less drag. Sidehillin the paddles grab at alternating intervals providing, in my opinion, a bit more lateral stability (similar to paddling a kayak). Anyone that has rode a quad with straight paddles and given a bit too much throttle/clutch while turning on a slope or the flats, fairly quickly, has felt the lateral slip and the oh $!*t.

 

Beadlocks are just like number of paddle debates. Some guys like them, some don't. I'm on the like side.

 

If Skat makes them for Fullerton, they are not fake Skats. The still have skat paddles on them and were built by Skat.


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^^Agree^^ I've never understood the statement that Tim is the only one who sells "real" Skats. He just has his own flavor of Skats. To say Fullertons are not Skats is simply wrong.

 

How about calling Fullerton Skats wannabe Warlocks instead of fake............

 

I like Fake Warlocks. Lmao

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Comp cut will shave some weight but not enough and then they leak air all day long requiring you to fill up. Next time your at the sand show early on Saturday or late in the afternoon look at all the cars with comp cuts stus going flat. I watched Packard yamaha go down in a afternoon lol. That's a pain in the ass

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What are we all complaining about. Some one just brought up Skats and a Yamaha Rhino. Man how far we have come. I had this same argument back in 2008 and the tire of choice was the "lumberjack" Skat's. Who remembers being a bad as in their long travel Rhino with lumerscats?


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I still have some Lumberjack 2-ply skats - weigh 13 lbs. :cool2:

Whatever happened to the Skat-trak labeled carcasses? Think it was printed in red on sidewall if memory serves.

 

UTVinc. sells the Warlock 32's. Is this a one off deal that Tim has with UTVinc., or does he supply carcasses to other shops too?

 

Alright, switching gears for a minute. 14 x 8, all the way around I'm thinking for the 32s. What offset are you guys running? 4+3, 4+4, or 5+2?

If nothing else, we should get some more arguments or laughs!

 

14x6 5.125+.875 argue bout that

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I as well will be ordering up a set of skats before season starts. So many choices now. Those 32's do look fat.

I have a stage 2 PWRtune. Thinking on going with 32's 12 paddle staggered. I will be riding Glamis every month during season. I mostly ride roadrunner to China. That sand gets soft out there.

Also have to decide between 7" and 8" wheels.

 

No one thinks or has had the 32 hit the body ? Tim

 

Yeah, that has been swimming around in my head.......

 

From my understanding there are a handful of Xtreme 32x13-14's out there on display at dealers, but none available for sale yet. They are thinking they will be able to start filling wait list orders September some time. The 32x13-15's will be made available after a solid run of 14's is produced, since the 14" wheel size generated more interest than the 15"...I'm kind of surprised by that. Estimated arrival of the 32x13-15 is mid-late October.
This was news to me, but the 32" staggered 12 paddle is only being recommended for the slightly heavier X3 Max while the 31.5-14 is recommended for the 2 seater X3's, the 31.5 is in production already but the 10 paddles currently on backorder.

 

From my understanding there are a handful of Xtreme 32x13-14's out there on display at dealers, but none available for sale yet. They are thinking they will be able to start filling wait list orders September some time. The 32x13-15's will be made available after a solid run of 14's is produced, since the 14" wheel size generated more interest than the 15"...I'm kind of surprised by that. Estimated arrival of the 32x13-15 is mid-late October.
This was news to me, but the 32" staggered 12 paddle is only being recommended for the slightly heavier X3 Max while the 31.5-14 is recommended for the 2 seater X3's, the 31.5 is in production already but the 10 paddles currently on backorder.

You are 100% accurate! I had a chance to talk to Tim today for a good half hour. That's what he told me too. The 32s are suited better for the 4 seat Max, than the 2 seater. He also said that since I have the 30s, the 31s would be a bit better, but not mind boggling better. 31s are for more bottoming out resistance. You have to love a guy that's honest, and not trying to make a sale, just for making a sale!

 

Ok after 45 pages and a conversation with Tim I decided I am going with 31.5 with 9-10 paddles. My only concern is which wheel and offset? I would like to stay as close to stock as possible because of my enclosed trailer. Anybody with an XRS and 31.5 have the width of their car? Pics would be nice too!

 

31.5x13x14 tire , 7" wheel 4-3 offset , Im about 76" wide

I have the 9 paddle , next time it will be the 10 paddle for me . [emoji106]

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About 78 wide with cms wheels

 

What wheel offset do you have ? 3 x 4 offset ?

 

Correction, 76 " wide


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