Here's a picture of the new 32 Skat next to a 1300 plus sand car tire.

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NEW 32.5 on a CMS wheel weighs in at 28.5

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Are the new 32s all going to be staggered? Or will some come with a full paddle? I want to go with a full, but will settle with staggered if that's all.

 

All skats can be tailored to the buyer.

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I'd like to think so, but all I've seen is staggered. I don't know if that's the way Tim is doing them all, but I'm sure Warlock will have an answer.

 

I'd like to think so, but all I've seen is staggered. I don't know if that's the way Tim is doing them all, but I'm sure Warlock will have an answer.

I just ordered through tims wife kelly. Mine were special order 14 ripper staggers. He just stocks what sells and anything else is a special order. People that have started runners staggered can tell the difference and now it's a following. Lol

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I like how the 32s look wider. That is really my only gripe about the 31.5s is how skinny they look.

 

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Warlock can one change out their skinny 31.5" rears to these 32s and still run the 31.5" fronts? Dont really want to replace all 4 and have no issue with the 31.5" fronts. Also looking for more bite/paddle than the 10 paddle on my current 31.5".

 

^ Does it really matter since the front drive ratio is different from the rear?

 

The stagger has never made any sense to me. To me it seems backwards. It seems you would want more paddle on the side of the tire for the holeshot (more paddle in the sand from a dig) then less paddle in the center (less paddle in the sand as the tire gets taller and skinnier at speed).

 

Too many ways to skin a cat. We will all end up in the same place just not as fast as each other. 10 paddle straight has the same amount of paddles in the sand at speed as 10 paddle staggered. No difference when you up and on top. Just has a wide contact area at takeoff

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I use CMS wheels, 7" front and 8" rear

 

Guys I honestly could care less about drag racing or pulling holeshots and I feel that’s the only thing that’s talked about when it comes to sand tires. I’m not entering into the next big dick swinging contest on who can get down the line or out of the hole the fastest. You’re only going to find me racing / pulling holeshots at a mx track on my dirt bike that’s it.
So with that said I’m looking for sand tire set up for the 2018 X3 XDS (2 seater) should be taking delivery any day hopefully. This will be my first SXS that I own, I have rented two seaters and 4 seater Polaris for dunes trips for the past few years so I’m very familiar on handling / my driving style.
For sand dunes I’ll primarily be in Glamis, I still have that racer mentality so I like to ride that edge and push the limits, like to come in the corners hot kicking the ass end out a little and throttling out of the corner, jumping and pounding the whoops. To me in the sand the rougher the nastier the better, I don’t like fresh clean smooth sand… its just boring.


Not that I interested in GMZ sand tires but was reading about their staggered cut tires. Quote: “The stagger cut allows for a little more ability to slide the car around but without affecting flotation or straight-line traction” Is there any truth to this for staged tires and if so would this also apply the Skats Staggered tires ?

 

The stagger paddle set up takes a little bit out of the tire allowing them to slide easier when cornering.

On a STU tire they can cut paddles to make a 80/20 cut. They take 20% of the paddle off. alternating from outside edge to inside edge of the next paddle.

Other brands are just copying what STU has been doing for years.


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If you don't want a discussion then don't ask next time, jesus!

 

If you don't care about acceleration from a stop and don't mind it rough, don't buy large paddles, stick with bighorns. You're welcome.

 

These paddle Tire threads are always so much fun!!!

 

Skats are the best and Molded tires suck will be the conclusion 50 pages later.

Too bad the STU set up seem to win at the SXS wars. Lmao!!!!


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If I'm wrong, please point me in the right direction. It just makes no sense to me

 

Here's a quote from the guys at UTVinc.

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I would like to try some stus but I'm broke now

 

Man I really like mine, but honestly they are the only ones I've had on this machine.


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I like STU tires in general and have ran them on my sand car for years.

I was a firm believer that there wasn't much difference in paddle tires.

Wadmaster AKA " DR scientific data" spent some time measuring the acceleration of both STU and Skat. The Skat was measurable better.

I know I hear the "I don't drag race". Better acceleration is not just for drag racing, while acceleration is not the most important factor for duning, being able to accelerate quicker does factor in to duning.

While I still believe that for the most part, any tire is fine, even "Big Hrons", for the guy who is about performance, even small gains rhe Skat does seem to accelerate slightly better while still duning well.

Just my 2 cents. Tim

 

and yet he still blew belts. LOL!!!!!

No one will argue the Skats will accelerate quicker to the big end. I just don't like the spongy feeling they have while dunning.

I say go buy whatever fits in your budget and go have fun.

 

Yea, you needed some paddle on your sidewall so it can grab some air and push you forward lol

 

You gonna have to come up to Oregon dunes sometime. Our sand is way softer and fluffier than glamis. The trails that we have stay rutted up and narrow. Your just kinda biased from only riding in the wide open sand dunes I think. I've been to many different areas and they all are different

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This thread belongs on the RZR forum.

 

This is the RZR forum. Pissing contest post, how do I fix it post, belt breaking post. Just missing recalls. [emoji23]


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So, since I am from Oregon, and have a XRS. I figured I would put my 2cent in. I have been riding the Oregon dunes since 1985. Not that that maters, but what does is I have run almost every sand tire there is. I choose to run skats based on performance and weight. On my XRS I am running them on stock wheels and have never experienced the so called "pushing" that "Big T Bones" has. Maybe cause I choose to keep my width at 72" or cause my skats are on a 7" rim and are more rounded or cause I run 12psi. Regardless the 30x13x14 8-paddle staggered Rippers and smooth buffs perform awesome. The only thing I would have done different, now that I have it flash, would have went 10 staggered. But as they are they work fine. And the larger thicker Ripper paddles will give me years of use even when I have to occasionally travel the paved or gravel areas to access the dunes.

 

Can you explain why you went with the stagger? I would like to learn.

 

I'm not much into who's the biggest, baddest, or fastest anymore, maybe I'm getting old. Just love to ride and share my knowledge of the sport with others. We will be staying at Box Car Campground for the next 4 days. If you can make it down, come on by and we will share some notes BigTBones. Would be great to meet and ride with some other Oregon locals!

 

I'm going to be up that way for a military show and thought we would stop by the Oregon dunes to ride there for the day. For those that go there all the time, should I go to the Winchester access, Coos Bay or the Florence access? I am assuming you cannot connect them without loading up your SxS. I am not into drag racing or running up and down one sand dune. You will rarely find me at Olds in Glamis, but rather you will find me somewhere between Road Runner and The Wall away from the crowds and in the more technical dunes. I don't want to see the same dune twice. Suggestions?

 

Saw this on FB today. 32" Scats VS Blackbirds

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What size wheels? 14 or 15" and wheel widths?. Thanks fozzy

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Some one at a Ride Now in Goodyear AZ?


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My Max could benefit from those huge balloons.


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I want to start a pool. I say by Halloween week, this thread will have 110 pages, at least, LOL! Any guesses????

 

I am with you and will do my best to get this thread to 110 pages

 

During the summer some of these websites and threads about sand dunes turn into Lord Of The Flies or something. lol.

Tim

 

Of course it will, with you and everyone else posting popcorn eating and beer sipping posts that add little value. I genuinely want to read a solid, logical post explaining why a stagger is better. So that I may learn and others may find in the future to be beneficial.