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#1 ·
I know, here we go again!!!

So I was at st Anthony for 9 days last week, rained almost entire time again. I had (2) full sets of tires. 30/11/14 10 paddle extremes and Tom's (TIK in forum, he runs them on his X3 DS) full set 28" #2 STU paddles with 3 rib fronts

Extremes: throw sand like crazy, lots of wheel speed, the fronts even buffed do help in 4wd, very fast on top end, decent stability when dunning at high speed, 7" rims all corners, running 9 psi = conclusion, not enough tire for tuned machines, would be perfect on stock machine though

STU 28" #2 : more paddles helped launch harder, not throwing as much sand, more stable while dunning due to being wider, 4wd didn't seem much different, turned better, slower on top end, being shorter was noticeable as that extra ground clearance is needed when coming into dips fast not wanting to plow front end carrying momentum, 8 wide rims front, 10" rear, overall weight was close on fronts, rears were few lbs heavier each, running 9psi = conclusion, molded are less fragile in lave / rocky area, would prefer these in 30" if I was to buy, they dune better when running high speed due to width, would even consider a #1 paddle maybe?


If it's any hint of wet sand, stock 30" tires aired down do better then any paddle, I saw stock machines doing very well while it was slightly wet, as things dried out paddles had advantage

So now I am going to buy a set of 31.5" or 30"stagger rippers and run them on 8" front and back I think, there goes another $2k


Matt
 
#146 ·
What's different about the dunes in the North West as compared to Glamis.

I have only ridden in Glamis and Pismo, other than the wet beach sand those two seem the same.

Who has ridden in both dunes ?

Tim
 
#147 ·
I would think Oregon dunes sand would be similar to Pismo other than the dunes are a lot bigger.


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#161 ·
Yeah the X3 cars look Frickin Sick with the huge Roll out. Mini Sand cars.

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#168 ·
Have you checked out the other 32" Skats that Fullerton has been offering? They looked pretty sweet when I saw them out in Glamis on the Bert's Mega Mall X3.

Don't know the weight of them compared to Tim's. I believe they were a 10 paddle set up.


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#183 ·
I will know this coming monday! I bet they are 97-99" rollout on a 10" wide wheel.
 
#182 ·
I'm sitting here at Tim's waiting out a flash flood lol.

The new 32 has 101" of Roll out and with 12 blades weighs in at 18 Lbs. Goodyear is building them now and should be ready to sell September for sure.
The Narrow 11 Skats turn like there in rails and work so awesome.
The 32x15 really would be best for heavy loaded down 4 seater cars. But for those people who believe that you have to have a wide ass tire to work properly in the sand we'll get some of these.
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With the Roll out on the Xtreme Skats going over 100" you would like the 10 paddle Xtreme blades.

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With the Roll out on the Xtreme Skats going over 100" you would like the 10 paddle Xtreme blades.

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I thought you were going to give ball park prices for the new 32s that are coming? Any news?
 
#238 ·
Thanks man
Awfully Green out here. Nice weather now they say it's unseasonably cooler out.

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#240 ·
Blackbirds #2 comp cut, tributes front. 15x8/15x10 Hiper Raptor wheels. Measured out at close to 32" front and 31" rear. Weight was same as stock bighorns. Weighed on scale, scale is 2lbs heavy. Labor Day get to see how they do!


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#241 ·
You will notice a substantial drop in top speed with those front tires with blades on them.
I built some Skats with little kid quad blades on the sides for fun once and could feel and see a loss in tip speed and the only place they worked good was side Hillingdon they would hold the line really good. But that's all they were good for.

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#242 ·
We will see, I rarely do 80 mph. If need be I can shave off every other on the front if they are too aggressive, or shave all of them and just use the ridge for a steer tire. They might have enough bite to play down in the trees...that is if I can fit down there lol it's pretty damn wide now!


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#245 ·
The Tributes work. I had the original 29's with matching Beachcombers and they where a great set up for a loaded down 4 seat car. You could actually dune higher in the bowls with less speed. I know a lot of you would not want to go slow, but think of little kids with big helmets on. The g-outs and hard transitions are hard on their necks. We have had a car in our group whiplash his kids and I had a buddy that put his kids in the front bar breaking their visors and smashing their face. Not all of us catch 10' of air over every transition. Not that I wouldn't like to.


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#251 · (Edited)
I ran the Blackbirds/Tributes all last season and liked them. I am a 2WD guy so I immediately removed the front paddles, but many 4WD people like them. If I am to be critical of them, the large offset edge on the new Tributes works very well for turning but I might try a more standard mohawk or buff fronts at some point to compare as never had a problem with them in past and could save some weight. The Blackbirds really keep you on top of the sand with proper wide wheel even when it gets super soft. They did feel much "different" to me than the Sand Blasters have run in the past and think it has to do with the much more aggressive edge. I like to hang the rear out a little and slide to turn and they grab much more which could be a good or bad thing depending upon your style. I might trim the corners of them for more of a straight cut.
 
#254 ·
They are very aggressive, I may look into that too. The guy who cut these for me is Kris from Oregon motorsports. Super nice guy. He prefers the 1300 paddle design, as they are not quite as aggressive. We will be playing with them!


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#252 ·
L ot R
30X11 at 93
30 X 13 AT 95
31.5 at 98
32 at 101 roll out
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#278 · (Edited)
Ok, I am not hear to bicker but I have had hour long phone conversations and a pretty extensive convo on here about this and have yet to have anyone convince me the stagger is better out of the hole. Lets just look at the picture in the quote for example. Lets compare the two tires on the right in the picture. One is a straight paddle and one is a staggered paddle. Lets look at the paddle in the middle directly facing the camera on both tires. Now imagine that paddle being in the sand on a machine at rest, ie not moving. All of the straight paddle will be in the sand. Now imagine the same for the staggered one. Part of the staggered paddle, on the right side, wont even be in the sand, while there will be part of the tire on the left side of that staggered paddle that will just have the buffed tire in the sand since the paddle is in fact staggered to the side. So with the staggered paddle, you have part of the paddle not even grabbing any sand at all, and the other side that has wasted space where a paddle would normally be grabbing sand.

I will agree, at speed the two are equal and only the center part of the tire touches sand and both are the same in that regard.