Uff 50lbs of unsprung weight

 

Yeah F that shit . I stick with my low life old Extreme tires at 27 lbs with rims haha. People are people and they know what's best.

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Does anyone know what a stock beadlock weighs? Just picked up a set of 30 13 14 skates on sti 3/4 wheels but I'll have to put them on at the dunes or Jack the car and strap it to put it in the
Toy hauler

 

Does anyone know what a stock beadlock weighs? Just picked up a set of 30 13 14 skates on sti 3/4 wheels but I'll have to put them on at the dunes or Jack the car and strap it to put it in the
Toy hauler

Oem wheels 2020 x3
14x7 17.6lbs
14x8 17.8lbs

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Thank you, I'll gain a little weight but it might be worth it to have the beads powder coated the color I want and to not have to chang tires to get in the trailer

 

Are those 360s 32s? Kinda disappointed in the weight.

 

FWIW, I recently purchased a 2020 xrs. I am not a real experienced du

ner but like to make several trips through the winter. My first trip was on the original Bighorns. I was impressed with the machine and the tires but knew I wanted sand tires. I almost pulled the trigger on a set of new Sandlites on sti beadlocks for $1100. On a stranger's advice I called a guy named Tim at Xtreme Tire in Phoenix. Best thing I could have done. He gave me lots of good info and left the decision up to me. I decided on a set of 32x13x14 front buffs and 12 paddle rears on Douglas wheels from Xtreme. A super light setup. Cost was double the Sandlites but my machine really likes my choice. My belt temp averages 20 degrees cooler than with the stock Bighorns. Been a long time since I have been so satisfied with a product.

 

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You guys are funny with freaking out about the weight of a tire. Many of you run out and get the lightest tire possible and then mount them on the heaviest wheel possible. LMAO!!!!

Those System 3 tires work well and because of the way the tire is set up it stays on top of the dunes and rolls easy. That paddle profile gets the car going with minimal effort. Sure you are not going to win a drag race up a hill, but for a dunning set up they are great.

That 32" System 3 set up would come in around 43lbs on a Packard 15x11 inch wheel for the rears and fronts on a Packard wheel would be 38lbs. Not a horrible weight. Throw them on a DWT Ultimate non-beadlock and they would weigh slightly more.

 

SandCraft 32x12.50x15 10 Paddle - 20.8lbs.

SandCraft 23x12.50x15 Smooth buffed - 20.0lbs.

Method 409 - 15"x10" wheel - 16.6lbs.
The stock, 29x11x14 wheels and tires weighed 43.6lbs each.
That saved me 6lbs at each corner.

 

I outran several different rides up comp hill at Dumont on the system 3s. Launches pretty good in 4wd. Obviously not what they excel at but they did really well.

Really shined carving the dunes and like others have said before, minimal effort to get moving and they float really nice.

 

Jailbird, I'm suprised they are that light for a 15" wheel setup. Have you ran them yet? I wonder if your car is quicker with the paddles then with the stock bighorns. I'm sure it rides much better.

They will weigh 45 after you add 8 pounds of air haha

 

I have not ran them yet. I plan to this weekend. My brother has the same car with the same tires but is running Packard wheel which are a couple pounds lighter and he told me it was noticeably quicker, both from a start and from a roll. I hope to see some kind of improvement over the stock tires and wheels.

 

I was thinking a 3" tire size increase might not be as quick as the bighorns do suprisingly well

 

Big Horns spin a lot in the dunes.

 

True but some spin is a good thing. Places where the sand is wet and heavy I would pick the bighorns over heavy molded tires. There is a video comparing bighorns and skat trak paddles and I would say the difference was 3-4 lengths on the not so steep hill they raced on. Over Halloween at sand mt Nevada I was only a car or 2 behind x3's with skat. That weekend convinced me I didnt need paddles for the few trips a year I go to the sand, but I bought some anyways lol

 

A lot of that is they might not be clutched correctly for the bigger paddles at sand mnt as the elevation def requires adjustments and if just bolting on the skats your rpm's are def low as that is almost 5000' at the top of the hill. My car vs dirt tire cars is embarrassing, but I am also running e-85 so that's to be expected!!!

 

Took my ss360s out and spent a couple days with them at the south dunes (Ogilby). Not sure how to review them, new to the sxs thing, but been at the dunes for 25 years and the last 6 or so has been with mostly sxs in our group. I'd certainly say that the "get up on the sand easily" crowd has it about right. Really felt like our car got going with much less throttle, but one of our group had a rzr with 4 people in it. The almost identical 2019 xrs to ours had cheap paddles,12 paddles if I remember, and seemed no faster at all. Both other machines that went on every ride for the weekend blew belts, canam and rzr...Popo had 110 miles on the entire car, other x3 had about 300 on the belt. Both melted. Mine looks like new. We all went the exact same lines with me leading.

I like to slide around, I'm an old dirt track racer, and I thought these would be great at that...they aren't. Run it in 2wd and it's all the sliding I need, but they will dig in way quick if you lose momentum. Tells me the key is the whole set, fronts being a big part of the system. I'm big on getting good equipment and then learning it,as opposed to always trying the next thing, so I'm finishing the season on these and just trying air pressure etc (I ran 10psi and then 12, didn't feel much different) but I'm likely to keep them. I could absolutely go wherever I wanted and gained alot of confidence. Going next week for 5 days with a bigger group and maybe will have some better observations as all this group have been in cars for years.

 

Run the front tires backwards and it will let you slide more. It takes some of the bite out of them and you will be able the slide the rear more in 4wd.

2wd is obviously easier to slide around. 4wd is more work to do it and that is with just about any paddle tire set up.



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I have another set of paddles being built for Dumont that will go on my 2020 car. Hopefully the evo E-85 hot tune being around 250HP+ should put it to the ground. I will be targeting guys with big turbos, Ha

 

Raced a 2020 setup on E85 at our hill a few times and while it was quick it still didn't keep up with the FP Green WS240X (277+HP) kit. Hopefully those paddles have some fancy unicorn dust sprinkled into the paddles or your still gonna need a big turbo?.

 

Yo Matt, I got my rear view and side mirrors adjusted well for you. And already got the fishing pole packed and my tackle box filled. ???

 

Yo Matt, I got my rear view and side mirrors adjusted well for you. And already got the fishing pole packed and my tackle box filled. [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

Dammmmnnnn. Lol. And so it begins.

2018.5 X3 Max XRS // Grove Fabworks, Aftermarket Assassins, Dynojet, CT front end, CA Tech, UMP, HSP, Rugged, Sandcraft, Running Whalen Speed 205

 

If you go to YouTube and search bighorns vs paddle tires it should come up. After posting that I got a deal on some 30-13-+4 9 paddle skats, I would think 10 would be ideal for a stock car but can't see 1 paddle being that much different. At pismo over Christmas we played around and figured the skats were worth about one length if that, now the sand was wet and pismo is flat so I would think the difference at dumont or glamis would be more. But still one length for knobies that weigh more then 10# each suprised me.

Here is something else I have been wondering about
Its known to be a bad idea to run different size front and rear tires when running 4wd, so why isn't it also bad to run buffs and paddles? I understand there is "give" in the sand and it's not like running on the street but still that's a lot of bit in the rear vs almost none in front

 

 

About the 8 minute mark

 

Lol

 

I've been reading through the termendous amount of info on here but have a qucik question. Does anyone run 10" wheels all around with paddles or does it make the fronts to wide? I bought a set of 31.5x13x14 paddles (buffs up front) for my x3 max and they are currently on 14x7 wheels but I was thinking about swapping my 14x10 wheels on.

 

I run 8” on fronts on both sets of paddles, I’m sure someone has done 10’s

 

I also have 8s on the front then 10s on the back. I thought about 10s up front but did not see anyone else doing it.....

 

Thanks guys, I ordered some 14x7’s for the fronts

 

Generally speaking wider wheels up front add wheel scrub and negatively effect the steering...even in the dunes although the problem is worse in other terrains.