The SandCraft Destroyer is one of the most versatile paddles out there. You can run it in any dunes in the U.S. and you'll be fine. Is there better paddles in certain areas and types of riding, sure but all around one of the best for sure. The little bit thicker 2 ply carcass holds up to some pretty good abuse but is still relatively light. There has been a few guys that have started to have some issues lately with the actual Skat paddle tearing and folding at the base. Have seen it on both ripper and extremes, not sure what's causing this either. Pressures are always checked and ran where they should be. Minimal use on harder pack or pavement, only when no other option is available like certain campgrounds or loading and unloading into trailer. But not an actual issue with the SandCraft carcass but the Skat paddle. Maybe a bad batch? But I also know of a ton more out there that aren't having that issue so who knows. The rib on the front smoothie is the perfect size for providing just a little turning help as opposed to none like a full smoothie and to much with the huge rib like on a molded or STU. All depends on what type of riding or duning the customer likes to do.

 

2860?

 

No sir

 

Lol. PM me if you want. I'm researching compressor maps too. Would just like to hear what you decided on.

 

you have security level clearance in the military if I recall so you can be trusted!!!

 

Sandcraft destroyer tire rates best “all around” at the moment, especially with Heavier UTV cars.
Sand play with drifting, fast duning, “especially durability” and flat resistance are its strong points.

These UTV cars are not little VW sand cars from the past that needed lite weight tires to help in the sand drags. Drag race cars can have the thin cut soft tires. But for all the rest of dune play, the thin cut tire is a thumbs down. Side walls to soft, and better have lots of tire plugs and dependable long lasting air pump.

Skat is going to a firmer tire for a reason!!!
Because that’s what works right now for the majority.

This is a no brainer what type of sand tire works best for all around!! Unless someone has a Specialty one used type of car that that needs a one type of use tire.

I have watched hundreds of people change to the “sand craft” once they were able to come out and experience and compare tires. On both stock and modified suspensions.

 

Sandcraft destroyer tire rates best “all around” at the moment, especially with Heavier UTV cars.
Sand play with drifting, fast duning, “especially durability” and flat resistance are its strong points.

These UTV cars are not little VW sand cars from the past that needed lite weight tires to help in the sand drags. Drag race cars can have the thin cut soft tires. But for all the rest of dune play, the thin cut tire is a thumbs down. Side walls to soft, and better have lots of tire plugs and dependable long lasting air pump.

Skat is going to a firmer tire for a reason!!!
Because that’s what works right now for the majority.

This is a no brainer what type of sand tire works best for all around!! Unless someone has a Specialty one used type of car that that needs a one type of use tire.

I have watched hundreds of people change to the “sand craft” once they were able to come out and experience and compare tires. On both stock and modified suspensions.

Ed,

Have you ran the new molds from skat? They have a wider profile.

2018.5 X3 Max XRS // Grove Fabworks, Aftermarket Assassins, Dynojet, CT front end, CA Tech, UMP, HSP, Rugged, Sandcraft, blah blah...

 

Everyone has there own personal style and driving EXPERIENCE in the dunes. Its up to the owner drivers to drive test tires BEFORE they purchase an expensive tire and wheel set up. Drive with people in similar situations that match up to their own.
For example, it’s not going to do any good to go drive a tire set up optimally For drag racing up and down the hills for hours and say these work great!!! Then Purchase these tires, and go out and try and shred the dunes and wonder why the car is struggling compared to the other cars set up with aggressive Duning tire set ups. The Same situation may work flip flopped in the above also From a dune tire to a drag type tire.

“Any” sand tire will certainly get anyone around the dunes fine. But I’m sure most people want the very most out of the tire set
Up to match up with car set up and driving preferences.

People don’t know what they dont know. Get out and test drive! Make it happen to make the best choices.

 

Ok now I’m really confused on Which tire to get lol

sandcraft, xtreme or Stu blackbirds?
I only dune with the occasional Hillshoot.

 

Haha! You read these threads and it will just confuse you more. The first and most important thing is you have to set a budget on what you want to spend. Once you do that then you can look at the various options.

Unlimited budget:

Tires that Skat puts the paddles on - Sandcraft Destroyers, Extreme Warlocks (Tim's) or the new Skat tire

Sand Tires Unlimited - Blackbird or the Paddla 1300

Fullerton Sand Sports paddle set up, forgot the name of them.

Budget minded:

CST Sandblast
Tusk Lites (Rocky Mountain ATV)
System 3 SS360 set up (this would be my choice after see how well they do)

All three will not break the bank and can be had on wheels for $1,500 or less depending on which wheel you choose.

Something that people over look is the choice of wheel. You have to decide if you want to run a beadlock wheel or non-beadlock wheel. You go with what you are comfortable with as far a beadlock or no beadlock. Then try to pick the lightest wheel you can find.


I ran 30" CST Sandblast paddle tire set up my first season and had no issues. They worked great. One person in our group had the 10 paddle Sandcraft set up and another ran the Blackbirds. Several of us were able to see how well the various set ups work and for the type of driving we like to do.

Plus we had Mega who was able to run several difference set ups. He initially ran 32" CST Sandblast, He duned with the Blackbirds and also the Sandcraft. He eventually settled on 12 paddle Sandcraft. He said the Blackbirds duned well, but would not slide like he wanted (I think doing a 80/20 cut on the Blackbird paddles would allow them to slide the ass end easier).

The only think I can tell you to stay away from is the GMZ Sandstrippers. Those tires throw up way too much sand and the person behind you can't see shit. Plus they are a hp killer.

 

Does anybody know how much the 15” method bead grip wheels weigh? 15x8 and 15x10


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Im running 32" CST SandBlasters front and rear on MSA 15" M12 rims. My X3 has the 2017 Stage 3 tune w/fuel pump and waste gate adjusted. The rears have 15 paddles, they hook up well out of the hole but dont seem to catch at speed when I hit the throttle. They hardly throw sand at speed. The fronts grab solid and send you where ever your pointing the wheel. Only issue I have is the car can turn on a dime, and it hooks up so well that the rear of the car to wants to come around quick, TO QUICK, I have to be ready to correct for oversteer at all times or I could flip thus car easily. Its a handfull. I run the DPS on min setting. Im thinking of going back to a smooth buff front so I can slide the car in turns versus making super sharp on the edge of your seat high speed turns. Thoughts ?

 

I was told my my local canam dealer the ss360 tire is soon to be releasing a higher horsepower tire setup with deeper scoops. Curious like everyone else as to how they perform. I'd imagine for your typical weekend warrior that doesn't get to aggressive driving or care about drag racing they would be the tire of choice.

 

I was told my my local canam dealer the ss360 tire is soon to be releasing a higher horsepower tire setup with deeper scoops. Curious like everyone else as to how they perform. I'd imagine for your typical weekend warrior that doesn't get to aggressive driving or care about drag racing they would be the tire of choice.

There is a video review of SS360 from Chaparral Motorsports. They have them on a X3 with Chad George driving. For those that don’t know he is one of the son’s of the owner of Funco, he does the test driving of all the high HP sand cars they make and he also is a racer. He is a driver and an aggressive one at that.

He gave the tires a thumbs up. Make me think the set up is good for aggressive drivers. I also think for the occasional drag race the tire set up might surprise people.

My opinion is the SS360 is going to be a great choice and good bang. Same with the CST and now the Tusk Lite (which looks very similar to the CST).

I will hopefully get to try them out next week in Glamis.


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I've found very few dealers that know the first thing about paddle tires, somehow they seem to think the bigger and more scoops the faster you will be. Had a dealer tell me that sand geckos are perfect for 250cc quads but haulers would be to much, let's forget about the extra 10# EACH of rotational mass

 

The 15x8 Method 409 Bead Grip wheel is 15lbs.
The 15x10 Method 409 Bead Grip wheel is 17lbs.

FWIW...

Weve been selling this combo and have not really any negative feedback and lots of happy duners:

https://www.utvinc.com/cst-sandblast-32-sand-paddle-tires-method-409-15-black-wheels.html

$1,550.00


The "best" tire we have been personally running, if you can get them is the Skat extremes... On the X3 XRS Max we really like the 12 paddle in a 32x12x15 on a 15x10 wheel.

 

What have you guys found as the best tire plug setup to have on hand? I found the “tire plugged gun” or whatever just seeing what is tried and true?

 

Before you know it we will be back to the argument of the fastest setup is 4 ruff buff tires. Those new ones look like vagina tires.

 

you have something against vagina? Im not judging, just asking.

 

Very non traditional looking tires. I watched the video but no info on the cars. All stock, modded? I won't be the first to buy these and experiment, not enough coin in the pocket for that.

 

The pics that UTV,Inc posted are what im running.

 

Who knows how much DWT ultimate wheels in 15x11 and 15x8 weigh?


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14.5 for the fronts and 15.5 on the backs on my bathroom scale. But it was varying a half a lbs each time I weighed them.

 

My friend got his 32” System 3 SS360 paddles all mounted up and on his X3. Can’t wait to try this set up next week in Glamis

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They look small? Probably just the pic. Either way l, look forward to your report. How's the weather looking down there over Thanksgiving? A ridiculous amount of rain is looking to ruin Thanksgiving at Dumont.

2018.5 X3 Max XRS // Grove Fabworks, Aftermarket Assassins, Dynojet, CT front end, CA Tech, UMP, HSP, Rugged, Sandcraft, blah blah...

 

They also make your wallet substantially lighter as well haha. Thank you for the info. They do look good.


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That they do. Lol!


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I’m going to asking this to see how people respond.

What is the purpose of trying to save on wheel and tire weights? What do owners expect the gain, and why, by saving lb or 2 on the corners?

after this is answered,

What about weights of the rest of the car as a whole?

 

I’m going to asking this to see how people respond.

What is the purpose of trying to save on wheel and tire weights? What do owners expect the gain, and why, by saving lb or 2 on the corners?

after this is answered,

What about weights of the rest of the car as a whole?

LMAO! I've said that to many of my group, but taken it a step further. Guys that are worrying about a pound a wheel, and telling people that the wheels they want are too heavy, but themselves weigh over 300. Yeah that 4 lbs is really going to matter....

 

I have heard several rotational mass vs static mass equations, the one that seems to come up more often is one pound of rotational mass = 7 pounds of static mass, so 2# per wheel would be like having 56lbs of weight in your seat. Now the closer to the drive axle centerline the less the rotational mass matters, so losing tire weight is more important than wheel weight. How that equates to car lengths on a hill I have know idea, I can say on a quad it makes a big difference. So for most duners it doesn't matter at all cause we already have tools, light bars, ice chest, BEER, stereo equipment, lower doors, mirrors, and a passenger weighing us down

 

Rotational mass is a thing. But I agree maybe a couple pounds may not be a huge thing, but it does add up for sure. I think just having less weight in general is obviously going to yield better performance with a greater power to weight ratio. I went ahead and got a sand paddle setup with the method 409R rims. They are a couple pounds heavier but I also like the looks better than the DWT ultimate sports. And they are comparable price wise. If I wanted to spend more per rim significantly I would have gotten the packards or el arcos.


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My back likes the lighter wheels when I change out the dirt tires. That’s about it. Lol


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Thanks. I was looking for the 15” that are not listed on their site for whatever reason. However a guy above answered the 15” question.


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Lightweight is not just faster in a straight line. It is also more throttle responsive, more agile, and not has hard on the overall car, including, but not limited to, belts. Why do you think some racers are going to mostly stock machines? The more weight you add, the more stress is on everything and the more likely the next point will break. I try and cut every pound out that I can, rotation or not, without sacrificing the experience and enjoyment factor.

 

Tire weight and diameter also affects clutching and belt temperature