Nice! That is 2 pounds less than my buddy who has the same wheels (15s) on the Sandcraft 31”. His weighed in at 31lbs. So I would guess that your setup is 3-4ish pounds lighter than the Sandcraft 32” with the same wheels.

So many numbers flying around! I feel like the blackjack scene from ‘the hangover’.

 

It's crazy how much of a difference the Lbs of Rotating Mass and the snappy throttle response and performance of the car is with lighter tires and wheels. Some people say ohh it's not a big deal to really worry about a few lousy lbs. Lmao, if it doesn't make a lot of difference then why the hell do the trucks run aluminum drive shafts. Who would think that would make a big difference. Well it all adds up.

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I guess it all comes down to what "duning" means to certain people.

 

Duning for Mega is sand highway to Olds then Sand highway to the washes.

Only read further if you have never been to Glamis......

That is a major cut down because only posers take sand highway to avoid the dunes! :haha:

Tim

 

Hey, that's what I did when I was there! lol

 

I have a 19 XRS and dune in Oregon and St Anthony. I've been using the stock tires and they work good if aired down and run 4x4 but I'm thinking of getting paddles, more for St Anthony's big hills. My trailer will only allow about 78" overall width so I'm looking for suggestions that will fit the trailer, be 32" tall and good for overall fast duning. Also have to be beadlock wheels.

 

Welcome from Tucson AZ. My advice, especially if you plan on dunning a lot, is get the best paddles you can afford. Basically go with a 8" front wheel, and a 10" rear wheel. Worse comes to worse, you just put your paddles on when you get to your destination, and take them off and put the knobbies back on when you're ready to leave.

 

For a two seater X3 (with exhaust, tune, evo intake and clutching running 32x13x14 12 paddle staggered) would 8in wheels on all fours be the way to go or 8in up front and 10in in the rear? Has anyone had experience with these set ups on the same car? I talked to Xtreme tire and they told me the advantages and disadvantages to both. 8s more top speed, 10 more flotation little less top end. I had 8” CMS wheels on my car but cracked two of them. Ran 14x7 method 401s to finish the season but car performed totally different. Looked up the weight difference and end up be almost 20lbs more total rotational mass from 8” cms to 7” method 401s. Just wondering if I should stick with the 8s or go to a 8 and a 10. Wanted to hear some experiences before I pull the trigger.

Side note, talked to Kelly at Xtreme tire about this and she stated an added rotational mass of 3-4 lbs per wheel is equivalent to having a 180 lb passenger in the car. So if you don’t think a few lbs matter you might want to think again when it come to performance in the sand.


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3-4 lbs of rotating mass isn’t worth your life and 99.9% of us are doing this as a hobby.

I would find rims elsewhere and CMS are biggest piles of crap rims on the market and they don’t stand behind their products

 

I have eights on all corners. 10’s dune better as the 8’s are a handful cornering

 

This answers your question.

Going to a 10" wide wheel will give you a wider foot print making it more stable, It will handle the corners a lot better.

 

I know, here we go again!!!

So I was at st Anthony for 9 days last week, rained almost entire time again. I had (2) full sets of tires. 30/11/14 10 paddle extremes and Tom's (TIK in forum, he runs them on his X3 DS) full set 28" #2 STU paddles with 3 rib fronts

Extremes: throw sand like crazy, lots of wheel speed, the fronts even buffed do help in 4wd, very fast on top end, decent stability when dunning at high speed, 7" rims all corners, running 9 psi = conclusion, not enough tire for tuned machines, would be perfect on stock machine though

STU 28" #2 : more paddles helped launch harder, not throwing as much sand, more stable while dunning due to being wider, 4wd didn't seem much different, turned better, slower on top end, being shorter was noticeable as that extra ground clearance is needed when coming into dips fast not wanting to plow front end carrying momentum, 8 wide rims front, 10" rear, overall weight was close on fronts, rears were few lbs heavier each, running 9psi = conclusion, molded are less fragile in lave / rocky area, would prefer these in 30" if I was to buy, they dune better when running high speed due to width, would even consider a #1 paddle maybe?


If it's any hint of wet sand, stock 30" tires aired down do better then any paddle, I saw stock machines doing very well while it was slightly wet, as things dried out paddles had advantage

So now I am going to buy a set of 31.5" or 30"stagger rippers and run them on 8" front and back I think, there goes another $2k


Matt

Excellent takes. Spot on.
We found on comparable equipped SXS's one with FST's/STU's the other with Skats, the Skats are notiable faster hole shot and accelleration, but the FST's/STU's more steady in the nips and tucks.

 

Getting ready to get sand tires and wondering how many prefer 2WD with paddles in back and baldys/ribbed up front, or 4WD with 'grippers/paddles' all the way around....?

 

IMO, 4wd all the time in the dunes. Besides getting better grip, there's less strain on the drive train. I would recommend paddles in the back, smoothies or a rib up front. 8" front wheel, 10" rear wheel. Beadlocks are an option too.

 

I bought paddles last year....32 skats 12 paddle staggered on XDS bead locks they work great. The latest and greatest I really don't care.

 

I like the fact that I am still 72 inches wide for the trails on the Oregon Coast

 

What springs did you go with? Any shock tuning? I'm looking for a good combo for the Oregon dunes.

 

How is 2wd less strain on the drivetrain?

 

There is more strain in 2wd, not less.

 

Omg. Too early in the am for me I guess. I meant how can 2wd be more stress? Just seems counter intuitive.

 

4wd is easier for your machine to make a pull on hills especially in sand even with bald tires. You might not get as high of rpm in 4wd as you would in 2wd or be wearing on your front gearbox, but your belt temps will climb higher / faster in 2wd and you will rev your engine higher while spinning more. 4wd is def an easier climb.

If I run 2wd mine is like a jack rabbit, hard to keep straight, revs super easy but belt temps climb faster and not as fast climbing or racing. Plus in 2wd I dig a trench when I launch.

 

I cannot compare to skat paddles because I've never ran them. Had a few days at Dumont on the system 3 ss360 paddles. I absolutely loved them, ran in 4wd pretty much the whole time.

 

That is a good set up. You get the 30” or 32” set up. My friend has the 30” set up on his X3 DS. They work great. They probably have the least amount of rolling resistance of all the paddle set ups with that tread design.




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Hmmm. Sounds good, and I'll take the advice from someone who knows. Apparently. Been going to the dunes for more than 25 years, and not just a few times a year either. This will be the first time in a sxs instead of a quad. Huge learning experience and seems a little overwhelming...new lines and going against my instincts etc. Seems nobody knows about the ss360s yet, I'll see if I can offer anything constructive about them after we go in a few weeks. Not a drag racer, if I can spend a bunch of time sideways I'll love them.

 

Apparently? Hey, I'm like everybody else on here, I give advice. You don't have to take it.

 

In no way was that a sarcastic "apparently". I'm learning here. From people who know more. I'm sure I'll get well meant but bad advice at some point (hell, I've given that myself in my areas of expertise, I'm sure lol) but right now I'm listening and appreciative.

 

OK, my bad, took it the wrong way. Maybe we'll meet in Glamis sometime.

 

There is a great video "paddles vs bighorns "on YouTube that show just how much smoothies pull vs 2wd, it also shows the 9 paddle skats are only worth about 3 lengths over bighorns on a not real steep hill that also looked wet. I'm sure the difference is much larger on a steep dry hill.

 

Has anyone tried the new wider paddles that Sandcraft has come out with? I think they are called Talons. Same carcass as the Destroyer Extreme except the paddle is wider so it spans completely across the wider tire size (32-12.50/15).

 

From everything I have read, those sancraft tires are heavy and not very flexible. I wonder if xtreme tire sells their tire carcasses with the Talon paddles.

 

Tim Can do the Talon blade but he never orders them because of there higher costs to build with talon blades. Plus Skat only has like one set of molds to build the talon blade so they cant build many tires fast. If you do order the Talon blade dont over paddle either since they are tall and wide .

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Someone educate me, who/what is sandcraft?
I'm guessing it is a circus with skat trak paddles on it. Right? Does skat trak build the tires or are the blades added at a different felicity?
Is that the same as the warlock? Its Tim's carcus with skat blades?
Back in my quad days it was skat trak with a choice of glider, hauler, extreme, ripper, or edge blades, reg buff, bead to bead or super lights, or play or comp cut beats in 6 or 9 paddle, everything else was junk

 

Someone educate me, who/what is sandcraft?
I'm guessing it is a circus with skat trak paddles on it. Right? Does skat trak build the tires or are the blades added at a different felicity?
Is that the same as the warlock? Its Tim's carcus with skat blades?
Back in my quad days it was skat trak with a choice of glider, hauler, extreme, ripper, or edge blades, reg buff, bead to bead or super lights, or play or comp cut beats in 6 or 9 paddle, everything else was junk

Sandcraft is some dudes that copied what Tim at xtreme tire and ordered up some Farm implement tires and has skat trak buff them down and add blades. The tires heavy and stiff to start with and it stays that way when it's done being buffed to. Not to mention the weight of the 15" wheel is not good either.

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My last pair set of Xtreme Skats were soooo thin I had 3 punctures in 2 trips!
My new improved Skats from Sandcraft are thicker, look wayyyyy better, no punctures after 2 trips, and are faster then “Tims Original thinner than a tortilla Skinny Skats.” Serious though... I am now beating my buddies 2 seat RZR S Turbo and 2 Seat x3 by 2 lengths instead of 1. To be fair, they both are running heavy molded tires.
Warlock, there’s no way Tim’s Skats are better. If u think so you must be making a commission marketing those things on Maverick and Rzrforum.. haha ?. Gotcha

 

My last pair set of Xtreme Skats were soooo thin I had 3 punctures in 2 trips!
My new improved Skats from Sandcraft are thicker, look wayyyyy better, no punctures after 2 trips, and are faster then “Tims Original thinner than a tortilla Skinny Skats.” Serious though... I am now beating my buddies 2 seat RZR S Turbo and 2 Seat x3 by 2 lengths instead of 1. To be fair, they both are running heavy molded tires.
Warlock, there’s no way Tim’s Skats are better. If u think so you must be making a commission marketing those things on Maverick and Rzrforum.. haha [emoji23]. Gotcha

Stay out of the trees . Nobody in our huge group ever gets flats so you are special I guess.

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Sandcraft Skats are better than Xtreme Tire Warlock Skats.
I have both so I know more than you on this. I also just raced multiple times this past weekend with better outcomes than before on my extreme skats.
Plus, lets face it. You spend $30-40,000 on a new x3 and the tires make it look silly if you have the skinny Skats. It just doesn’t look right. If I drove a Rzr and was into guys I guess it would be okay. But I like full figured chicks with big’uns, so Im definatly going with Sandcraft.
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Just to throw this out there skatrac is now making there own fire and it’s lighter than the sandcraft tire and it’s wider I’m running them on my big turbo car not sure of the weight yet I have not weighed them but I have a set of Tim’s and sand crafts and now I’m running the wider ones and I like them much better

 

I talked to Skat at the Sand Show about their tires. Weight wise they are very close to the Sandcraft tires. If I remember correctly Skat went with a stiffer side wall. Just another good option.

 

Dam you skinner!!! Always a step ahead on the new stuff

 

I thought SandCraft paddles were some of the lightest tires available?

 

lets say= 230-250 WHP,
in the air..... gonna go with skat-trak smoothies in the front..

Compcut rears:
Blackbirds or Padla Tracks ...... 1300, 1300+


Also lookin at Packards Ultralights, would you guys run the 7s or 9s on the front?! 11s obviously for the rear.
AAHHHHHHHH Please help haha.

 

lets say= 230-250 WHP,
in the air..... gonna go with skat-trak smoothies in the front..

Compcut rears:
Blackbirds or Padla Tracks ...... 1300, 1300+


Also lookin at Packards Ultralights, would you guys run the 7s or 9s on the front?! 11s obviously for the rear.
AAHHHHHHHH Please help haha.

What setup do you have to get you that much power? When choosing paddles, you really have to be honest with yourself on how much power you have at the wheels. There are many big turbo kits that do not touch 250 to the wheels.

About the paddles ripping, I have to wonder if its too much air pressure not letting the carcass flex and forces the paddle itself to bend when on hardpack.