Believe me, I was tempted to go with the 32" Sandcrafts and may live to regret that decision. I like the tires - seems a bit thicker carcass than my old Extreme Skat Traks. I got the Douglas Ultimate beadlocks which I know I will NOT regret. Solid rims and pretty light.

I have been duning for more than a few years - started in Walden, CO then Rock Springs, WY, then Little Sahara, UT, St. Anthony, Coral Pink, Sand Hollow, Glamis. Most of that on quads and went through my share of paddles on different quads for myself and my son who has been duning since he was a toddler.

When I started duning I bought a Banshee and asked the question on the forums about Paddles - "10 paddle haulers" was the overwhelming response. OMG - what a dog with those paddles. Too much paddle and I had to drop a tooth on front sprocket and go up on the back to be able to use all 6 gears. Had a couple Banshees and built the second one up pretty good being ported, blah, blah, blah and it was a fast duner. Ran 8 paddle Skats and was happy as could be in the end. Eventually, I got an LTR-450 that was modified a bit and pretty damn fast. I ran 8 paddle GLIDERS on that for probably close to 10,000 dune miles. Actually wore those paddles down to near ridges - it wasn't that quick out of the hole but it was fast on the top end. Similar stories with my sons quads. Less paddles has always played into my duning style well. I ALWAYS had to gear down the quads to fully use all the gears in the dunes. Having a CVT on a SXS masks that issue and I firmly believe it is an overlooked issue when going too big on tires in the sand.

When I got into SxS (with age comes a cage, right) I made a very regrettable purchase - a 2014 Wildcat X. Was so crappy I never bothered with paddles. 1500 dune miles that season with the stock Bighorns then sold it at a huge loss. Was one of the first to get the X ds Turbo when it came out. Agonized over paddles on that machine but settled on the 26x12.5x12 8 paddle Skats. Too small!!!! too Small!!! everyone said. I adjusted the suspension and occassionally bottomed out but when I punched it it felt like it was going to pull the front wheels. There is a popular video of me racing a friend in a 17 X3. I had a flash so HP was similar and he was running Skats (not sure of the size). It was almost dead even until he hit the top too fast and lawn darted it after a spectacular jump at the top of Patton. Sure didn't seem like I was losing and performance with the tiny Skats I had.

At Thanksgiving a friend of mine bought an X3 and was running 32" staggered 10 paddle Xtremes. He was unhappy with the performance but he duned just fine. Sure looked nice with those big tires though.

So very long story short - I'll see how they work out.

I think next I want to get into a which motor oil is best discussion.

 

Agree to disagree is all. My 6 paddle padla brats never lost me a race on my YFZ.

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Comparing rollouts only works if your talking similar wheel/tire weights. You cant compare a 45-50lb Bighron rollout to a 30-35lb Skat 100+ rollout. Apples vs oranges...

Even with all that additional rollout belt temps will be lower and RPMs likey higher with the Skats.

Its more about rotating mass than RO.

 

What did you use to trim the nubs off?

 

The best and easiest way is with one of these using the scraper blade:

 

I just mounted up some sandcraft 32/13/15 14 paddle rippers

 

I just mounted up some sandcraft 32/13/15 14 paddle rippers View attachment 226801

That is a good looking set up.

 

For those that are saying some of us are overpaddled, you are forgetting that most of us are tuned with quite a bit more than stock HP.

 

If over paddled, I can keep adding power and use same tires and eventually it will be perfect. If I am under paddled and add power, I have to sell those tires for .50 on the dollar and then buy new ones.

I think I recommend buying a little more tire then you need then less

 

And more hp on the way !!!

 

Define top end? 100mph? Lol

 

I wanted those gray el arcos so bad! Just too much money.

 

Said MGrotel...not ever..

Tim

 

Just for that, I ordered some, just kidding.

 

Yeah, sure you are.......

 

Naw, the dwt ultimate sports I got are lighter.

 

Packard wheels are even lighter. LOL!

 

You must have got a bad set, I've been running mine for quite a while and haven't had any issues with them, So has mgrotel and longball.

 

Pic of 32/13/14 extreme tire

12 paddle extreme and sand craft 32/13/15 14 paddle rippers

 

Pic of 32/13/14 extreme tire View attachment 226995 View attachment 226999 View attachment 227001 View attachment 227003 12 paddle extreme and sand craft 32/13/15 14 paddle rippers

How do you like the SC comparing to the Extremes

 

Selling the Exteme’s? How do they compare on the scale?

 

lighter. not sure yet

 

Dang those look good. Gonna throw some serious sand! Not gonna find me running anywhere near the rear of your car.

 

Nope. You'll be much farther back! Hahaha

 

True. But still ahead of you!

 

Back on track.

 

For now... Lol

 

Tmesic i have a paddle question for you

 

If you're asking me again to paddle you the answer is still no!

If it has to with an X3 ask away! Lol

Tim

 

Shit wrong forum. This is for the other forum we are on talking about paddles lol

 

Hello from Dubai Gents; Hope you're all enjoying the festive holiday season out West.

Been going through all the info on here and could use your opinions - expertise here is quite lacking. I've got a 2017 XRS with an full AP setup (exhaust, intake and race pipe) with the VR upgrade to 2018 specs and a tune to 195hp. I ride only in the dunes, which are almost always dry given the region.

I'm in the market for a set of MR406's and paddles. I'm on the fence between 14" and 15" wheels. What do you guys recommend given my setup? In either case I'm leaning towards x8 fronts and x10 rears. Am I headed in the right direction?

From there the question is about what paddles to run. I'd prefer to have just one set of tires, which is why I'm thinking either 12 or 14 paddles. We have access to Sandcraft Rippers and Destroyers here. Will these suffice?

Thanks in advance for the guidance, excited to be here. Cheers

 

What type of duning do you do? Are you a hill shooter/drag racer or do you like to dune and hit bowls? At that power level and with your access to the Sandcrafts you'll have to do the 15" wheel and I'd do a 12 paddle extreme which they call the destroyer. Also if you can find a Evo tuner or get a Dynojet from Pwrtune you'll have a much better tune.

 

Since I am stuck in the motorhome waiting out the wind I thought I'd post my report on my new 31x11x15 10 paddle setup from Sandcraft. I have ride height set at 16" front and rear. 8" front and 11" rear wheels. I should note this is my first dune trip with the new X3 XRS.

Only con is the machine doesn't look as cool as those with the 32" tires which are noticably bigger.

Did a 60 mile dune ride yesterday in the southern dunes between Ogilby and Gordon's Well. Never really bottomed out but did touch the rear once or twice on some rough areas. I set shocks as per the fox guide and pretty happy without the setup.

I was surprised how hard I could corner with this setup. Wow! Was my first thought once we really got moving. I felt the machine was very controllable and predictable when cornering hard. The front Sandcraft tires have a more pointed profile than previous tires I had and it really felt liked that carved into the send better when turning but still pull pretty hard in 4WD.

In 2WD I can spin the tires from a standstill but I don't feel like I am lacking in traction. I experimented in the slow choppy dunes running 2WD and was easily able to hit the gas and get moving quickly any time I needed.

On Sand highway I was doing over 80 MPH on GPS before I knew it and had to slow down to turn. I will do a top speed run when I get a chance but 80 MPH came pretty easy so I feel good that I'm not being bogged down with a lot of paddles or super wide tire.

Overall I am super pleased with the handling on my machine and feel like I made a good choice. I am particularly happy with the fronts with the bite I am getting when turning hard.

 

you dunning in 2wd or 4wd?

 

Generally I dune in 2WD. Slow technical stuff I'll generally run in 4WD.

I think most guys in my group prefer 4WD while duning, though.