I'll be calling a few people today to see about swapping my Fullerton rear 10 extreme paddles for some 12 paddle extremes or maybe a 10 paddle ripper, or dare i say a blackbird comp cut #2. I need more pull for our dunes as well.

 

Tim talked me out of the Rippers. I ordered 14 paddle 32” extremes. Going with 10 wide rears and 8 wide fronts for now, I have a full set of 7s I can use if I decide to switch. Will have them mounted and in use this weekend.

 

Mine are extremes on an 8 front 10 rear setup . And I run a pwrtune 4int they work well .

 

Guys, Warlock in particular, any negative side effects of running Skat 32" front buffs with Skat 31.5" rear? I want smaller rollout in the rear for gearing purposes.
I used to run a traditional rail with larger/taller front tires to make up for inadequate front suspension travel. Larger tires just rolls over things easier.

Thanks in advance for any opinions/experience.

 

Don’t go too big, remember you have a 4 wheel drive system. Don’t want the tires fighting each other

 

Sandcraft’s, 3 ply Kevlar.

 

I got my 32” 14 paddle extremes in and mounted up this week. Unfortunately, the weather turned to crap so we opted out of the dune trip. Low of 22 Friday night and several inches of snow were the forecast, staying home sounded like a lot more fun. I went with 14x10 rears and 14x8 fronts, I love the way it turned out. Definitely anxious to put some sand underneath them ASAP.

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Couple inches taller than the tires on the skid steer. Should be really nice having this much clearance for peaks and g outs.


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Look really nice on the Max! Let us know how they perform once you get out on the dunes. My thoughts are 12 paddle with a tune. I'm thinking 14 might be too much running with a full load most of the time.

 

99% of the time, it’s myself, my wife, and our two kids. I’m not a huge guy. My wife is tiny, and my kids are 4 and 6 years old and both of small stature. Our total passenger weight total including me is roughly 400 lbs. Nothing else on the car, no extra armor. Just car seats for the kids and the windshield and a few lights.

Also, so much of our riding is on-off-on, and we don’t really have room to open the machine up enough to utilize the advantage of using a tire of lesser paddle count. I feel like the 14 paddle is perfect. But seat of the pants, belt life, and fun factor will tell the full story.

On a side note, I installed Evo’s lighter arched clutch arms (4) because my RPMs weren’t where I wanted them last dune trip with 30” STI Sand Wedges. It felt lazy and pulled at about 7400 usually. I’ve driven the car enough to know how it usually feels. After installing the arms, I pulled out of the shop, and headed out onto the asphalt road in front of it. Stock 30” Big Horns mounted. I punched it, and held it there. I was sideways for probably 100 feet back and forth, RPMs instantly climbed to 8100-8200. I bet I took off 500 miles of life from the square edges of those tires. The weights def put the clutch in a happier spot.

I’m thinking that between those clutch arms and these tires, it’s going to be a different animal next trip.


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Dude your gonna shit. It's going to be a a when new car and those staggered 14s will work good for what your doing. It's gonna blow you away especially with the new clutching to.

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What would be a good set up for duning at st. Anthony? My buddy has a stage two tune and wants a setup that’s good for drag racing up like choke cherry and not so much high speed. He has been looking at both the sandblast paddles and a set of 30 12 paddle xtremes. Will the cst be comparative to the xtremes in a drag race or no?


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The Sandblast is a good dune tire but you are not going to win any drag races at Idaho with their little paddles compared with Skats or STU's. Running 32 inch 12 paddle Warlock Skats this year at Idaho.

 

I'll be trying a set of 32" Warlock Skats with 10 paddle staggered Rippers at St. Anthony with my stage 2 flash.

 

Might be a good thing to have that extra wheel spin running a 10 paddle tire along with the stage 2 HP. But that's just my opinion because I don't think you'll win a lot of races (either drag or hill shot) but you shouldn't blow as many belts. Please Let us know how it works out.

 

Your theory may be correct if I was running 10 Extreme paddles, but it should prove different when running 10 Ripper paddles. If you have run or even seen a set side by side you would know what I mean. I will definitely let you know how it works out.

when you going to be there testing these? My 14 paddles staggers are solid on Crapo / thunder bottom to top. On choke I launch hard but drag on top a little and the (10) paddle extremes catch me very last second, but that was stage 3. My new stage 5 tune should do much better on both hills, hopefully, if not big turbo will be on its way

 

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when you going to be there testing these? My 14 paddles staggers are solid on Crapo / thunder bottom to top. On choke I launch hard but drag on top a little and the (10) paddle extremes catch me very last second, but that was stage 3. My new stage 5 tune should do much better on both hills, hopefully, if not big turbo will be on its way

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Been running the blackbirds Comp cut #2 Sr31 tribute up front with comp cut/reverse shaved. Running cover off this last trip, drove the car harder than i ever have before including hot lapping the race hill. 4.5# of air pressure in all 4. 6 High altitude weights in. I see 8100 in 2wd and 7800-7900 4wd. No blown belts this last trip averaged 120 degrees (highest 140) once again this is with the cover off. Love being able to run 2wd everywhere, 4wd if wanting to play in the steep stuff or doing FAST tight trails/drags etc!

Last trip, cover on, broke 2 belts...saw 180 on average and 210 for highest temp. Obviously too hot.

Love the blackbirds, however If I were to do it again, I would do the STU 1300 PLUS with a desert track up front. Comp cut. LITTLE LIGHTER than my Current setup!

 

STU 1300 PLUS? What are those? Pics?

 

Here is Eric Graves X3. Hopefully he doesn't mind me sharing a picture of his machine. These STU 1300+ Comp cut weigh 21lbs un-mounted. Where as the blackbirds are closer to the 27lb mark. The cups are more of a fan blade, less of a encased cup like the blackbird. The tire has more of a crown like say a skat. A little taller than the 31" blackbirds as well due to them being wider.


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I've never even heard of them, or seen them. Are the fronts called that too? Who sells them Fullerton? How does your buddy like them?

 

Good to see the Oregon Dunes and the North Bend bridge in this photo..

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Many thanks to all who contributed meaningful information on this thread.

After months of reading paddle tire threads I decided to go with 32" Skat, smoothies and 14 paddle Extreme staggered on 14x8" wheels front and back with Evo 4Ri tune.
Was previously running Big Horns in front and 30" CST 14 paddle in the rear.

In comparison to my previous set up, I was able to use experience to answer two primary questions for me:

1. Would the smoothies give me as much control over my steering as compared to BigHorns? Absolutely. This was my first set of non ribbed smoothies on the front of any sand machine and I was surprised. I don't feel like they sacrificed any steering ability in the dunes. ( I only run 4wd in sand, did not test in 2wd)

2. Since the Extreme paddle height is only a few millimeters taller than CST SandBlast molded paddles, I was worried that I would need Rippers to get the traction I wanted. NO. Extreme paddles are so much stiffer, they provided a noticeable increase in traction. I estimate 40% increase on a scale where 100% would be considered twice as much traction.

 

Many thanks to all who contributed meaningful information on this thread.

After months of reading paddle tire threads I decided to go with 32" Skat, smoothies and 14 paddle Extreme staggered on 14x8" wheels front and back with Evo 4Ri tune.
Was previously running Big Horns in front and 30" CST 14 paddle in the rear.

In comparison to my previous set up, I was able to use experience to answer two primary questions for me:

1. Would the smoothies give me as much control over my steering as compared to BigHorns? Absolutely. This was my first set of non ribbed smoothies on the front of any sand machine and I was surprised. I don't feel like they sacrificed any steering ability in the dunes. ( I only run 4wd in sand, did not test in 2wd)

2. Since the Extreme paddle height is only a few millimeters taller than CST SandBlast molded paddles, I was worried that I would need Rippers to get the traction I wanted. NO. Extreme paddles are so much stiffer, they provided a noticeable increase in traction. I estimate 40% increase on a scale where 100% would be considered twice as much traction. View attachment 223122 View attachment 223124 View attachment 223126

I am curious why you do not drive in 2WD in the sand? I ask because in trying both last weekend I found 2WD to be a much better riding experience. Maybe 4WD for drag racing but going through transitions and tight spots in soft sand 4WD just felt wrong to me.

 

I just went with the Blackbirds comp cut #2 paddle and front Tributes.

They work awesome! I have had the skats, but dead stop acceleration is way more with the new set up.

Front and rears weigh 38 pounds total. Front are not comp cut yet.

 

So I am a stock 18 xrs 2 door... can i cst 32 inch without other mods?

 

Sure. Eventually you'll get mods, it's a sickness I tell you!

 

98% mental, 2% sick lol

 

Divorce = more mods
Well until maintenance starts anyway........

 

And no new girl friends to date with either cause all your money is going into the toy!

I need to find a sexy riding partner that supports the sport...

 

I tried my 32" Sandcraft 12 paddle Rippers over Halloween for the first time and I was very happy with them. My only complaint is that you could feel the vibration of the larger paddles hitting the sand, especially in harder packed sand. I did not feel like the car was bogged down at all, in 2wd I could easily spin them and drift. I have a custom intake, exhaust and pwrtune.

 

Plus 4wd can get you out of a "on two wheel situation" and help pull out of it

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Just messing with you Kyle. But I'm not quite understanding how a car can be too loose yet push in the turns. That is counterintuitive.

 

Loose in 2wd cause you get more wheel spin. Pushes cause smoothies up front don't steer worth crap unless they are driven.
That's why I ditched the scats for pro armour ribbed fronts, and cst's that I trimed . I came from a funco sandrail that loved going sideways. I like my x3 loosy goosy like my funco was.

 

Trying to dune at any sort of pace in 2wd is tough to do, up it to really moving and 4wd is almost a must, and much safer at those speeds. If your messing around on a hill or putting around sure 2wd is fine.

 

I know everyone has their own favorite way to drive their CanAm in the sand?! But some of this talk is very backwards to how we drive our cars in the sand. VeryFast or slow.

Lots of schooling has been going on over the last few weeks during customer dune tuning, dispelling myths about what works best and funnest in the Sand! Lots of new converts now know what they have been missing!!

Again, it’s all about comparing out in the Sand. People just won’t ever know unless someone actually shows them so they can make an educated choice from real experience.

Moto!

 

But a loose car doesn't push.

 

I run 4wd, to scarry in 2wd with my setup, I always know the front can bring me around if needed