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Paddle comparisons for X3

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#1 ·
I know, here we go again!!!

So I was at st Anthony for 9 days last week, rained almost entire time again. I had (2) full sets of tires. 30/11/14 10 paddle extremes and Tom's (TIK in forum, he runs them on his X3 DS) full set 28" #2 STU paddles with 3 rib fronts

Extremes: throw sand like crazy, lots of wheel speed, the fronts even buffed do help in 4wd, very fast on top end, decent stability when dunning at high speed, 7" rims all corners, running 9 psi = conclusion, not enough tire for tuned machines, would be perfect on stock machine though

STU 28" #2 : more paddles helped launch harder, not throwing as much sand, more stable while dunning due to being wider, 4wd didn't seem much different, turned better, slower on top end, being shorter was noticeable as that extra ground clearance is needed when coming into dips fast not wanting to plow front end carrying momentum, 8 wide rims front, 10" rear, overall weight was close on fronts, rears were few lbs heavier each, running 9psi = conclusion, molded are less fragile in lave / rocky area, would prefer these in 30" if I was to buy, they dune better when running high speed due to width, would even consider a #1 paddle maybe?


If it's any hint of wet sand, stock 30" tires aired down do better then any paddle, I saw stock machines doing very well while it was slightly wet, as things dried out paddles had advantage

So now I am going to buy a set of 31.5" or 30"stagger rippers and run them on 8" front and back I think, there goes another $2k


Matt
 
#836 ·
It makes all the difference in the world, and if you have enough experience in sand, you can easily tell. An 8 or 9 paddle rear tire isn't enough, you'll be under paddled. Most members that have been doing dunes for quite a few years have established that if you are going Skats, 10 paddle rears are what to get. STU, CST, Sand Slingers, Sand Strippers, are different paddle configurations. Most are around 16 paddles.

The last thing you want to do is "guess", spend your hard earned money, and be wrong. Then you have to buy again, and be stuck with the 8 / 9 paddle rears because nobody will want them.
 
#838 ·
Warlock came up with a good idea for me , told me to save my 9 paddle extremes for the wet sand . Going to go with a 12 paddle stagger kevlar extreme , on my next set .
Hopefully we won’t have to much wet sand this year , so far so good . ����

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that should work perfect, wet sand def needs less paddles and if you are doing a full week trip somewhere it sucks to be set up for dry sand only to have it rain and throw things off. I have my 14 rippers and a set of 10 paddles for the rear that I can swap around depending on where I am ridding at and sand conditions.
 
#848 ·
If 10% of your riding is sand, stick with air downed Big Horns that you already have. No need to buy wheels, and tires then. But if you feel like you need and want to try paddles, a cheap way to go is the CST paddles. Guys like them.
 
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#852 ·
I think is is asking for a comparison of weights between the two tires.
 
#863 ·
I spoke to CST last week at the Rugged Radios International Off-Road Expo in Scottsdale AZ... I asked them if they were looking at coming out with new sizes for the CST paddles next year. They said they have been getting a lot of these questions... they did not say no nor say yes.... But after I left their trailer I had the feeling there was something in the works for next year.
 
#866 ·
I agree with HDX . You want more ground clearance so you don't bottom out since you are staying stock.
And do a search to see how people are tuning their stock suspension for more clearance and a better ride.
 
#870 ·
Any of you guys that just watch these threads and never comment, do not go below a 30" on any of the X3's (base / DS or XRS 2-seat or Max ) for paddles if you want to use your suspension and not bottom out hard or take sand showers if you ride aggressive. There is a direct relation of ride height to tire size that will change how your machine handles / performs. If you are a Sunday driver then none of this matters and you should be driving a commander anyways. If your machine empty is at 14", you load it with passengers it goes to 11", you have 24" of travel, you will contact the ground, guaranteed.

You must crank up your ride height to 15" loaded, you need the 30" or taller tires to keep your ground clearance. Mine empty is almost 17" with shock therapy, loaded with a passenger it drops to 15". I can still give a light smack on my skid plate if I am not careful. Next time when you ride in a group look at the bottom of the transitions and you will see the scrub marks from others that are having same issue, its an easy solution and tire selection has a lot to do with it
 
#871 ·
Exactly. I see guys skid plate marks all the time smacking the ground. I saw where one dude pushed the front end of his X3 in on a steep transition. I Duned with my stock 30" Bighorns and cannot hang with my group of guys without destroying my car. Once you air them 30s down they are not even close to 30s any more and then when there low on air they allow the rim to bottom out in the tire almost. That makes your car even closer to the ground also. So loaded down with intended weight I would make sure the car then sits at 15" minimum.

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#885 ·
So for the DS is seems like the best setup is 30” with 10 paddles. I am still not sure about the wheel size though. I am leaning towards a 14x10 for the rears (don’t like the skinny rears) and then either a 14x7 or 14x8 for the fronts. Anyone have any input on this setup?

Since I have the DS I want the largest offset wheels to give me the most width.