I just heard a cool story about him. He wanted to get into the business, and nobody would hire him. So he told a recording studio in Tampa he would sweep the floors and clean up everyday for free if they would let him hang around and gain knowledge. Well, he did it for a few years, then wrote a hit for George Benson, and then formed his group. The rest they say is history! Pretty inspirational! You want it bad enough, most things are obtainable.