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I know the owner of performance atv and he DOES NOT claim to have the same clutching as airdam go to the website he sells and installs clutches he don't make them and if a customer wants a certain brand he will order and install what the customer wants performance atv is on top rite now i wouldn't take my bike any other place but there great customer service and top of them game products they are second to none
 

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Im sure a the facts will come out on here... Thats why i love these forums....i did call a place recently and they did claim to sell his clutch- its listed in my OP Thats why i posted this...
People will do anything to make a buck... Including selling out people that help them out...
Maybe I'm totally wrong ... Don't understand tho why someone would make claims and have no proof.
 

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Catovs claims to sell airdam clutches maybe when I talked to him he was still getting them from Adam I don't know. I have never trusted that guy, and got mine from airdam
 

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Key words here. The demand exceeded the supply. The companies listed were forced to go buy elsewhere. And what better place to go than the distributor. Bottom line

Hmmm, Demand exceeded supply but yet any shmo like me can come on here and PM Adam out of the blue and have a custom made clutch setup in their hands within a week or two MAX. I know we live in a now era but anyone with anyone with any sense at all can understand that truly custom made does not happen instantly.
I have a feeling these companies may have at least partially been more interested in increasing their profit margins than experiencing a lack of supply to meet demand.....
 

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Hmmm, Demand exceeded supply but yet any shmo like me can come on here and PM Adam out of the blue and have a custom made clutch setup in their hands within a week or two MAX. I know we live in a now era but anyone with anyone with any sense at all can understand that truly custom made does not happen instantly.
I have a feeling these companies may have at least partially been more interested in increasing their profit margins than experiencing a lack of supply to meet demand.....
Possibly, but I know for a fact that two of the listed companies sat on a 4-5 week wait on numerous times when they have 20+ customers waiting on them. Yes any "shmo" can order one from Adam. But you aren't ordering in large quantities to either fill customers orders or refill stock. Business 101.
 

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Possibly, but I know for a fact that two of the listed companies sat on a 4-5 week wait on numerous times when they have 20+ customers waiting on them. Yes any "shmo" can order one from Adam. But you aren't ordering in large quantities to either fill customers orders or refill stock. Business 101.
Truly custom made products do not sit in stock, that is what makes them "Custom". I bet I could teach you a few things about business pal
 

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KRIS, i have NEVER in MY ENTIRE LIFE been 4-5 weeks out never has happened. the worst i have ever been behind was when i had to build a new shop this last year, and got 18 days behind. performance ATV wanted things next day every time they ordered. i would drop everything and try to jump on their orders, usually getting their stuff in and out in 3 days max putting them ahead of customers whos stuff is already on my table. that was committment to them trying to make them happy. i never put them over 10 days out, not never. you aught to ask your buddie about not paying an almost 6 figure invoice for 93 days too. that one i remember quite clearly.

and as stated above, catvos is the one that keeps telling folks what they sell is an "///AIRDAM" clutch. that cat cant even read the part numbers right, selling a CVtech thats built for a commander 1000, and installing it on an XMR 800. i cant tell you how many clutch jobs i have had to fix because scott is selling entirely the wrong clutch installing them on entirely the wrong machne. folks call me saying "hey man your clutch is acting up whats wrong with it it just sucks" and after answering a few questions its fairly clear whats wrong. the part number is stamped into the back of EVERY cvtech clutch, and printed on the box its shipped in. its mighty hard to mix them up but somehow he continues to put whatever he has on whatever bike he is working on that day.

if i botched stuff up like that on a daily basis i woulda been outta business years ago. the worst comment you will find about me is that its hard to reach me. i am on the phone for 8-9 hours staright a day, 3 phone lines ringing non-stop all day, while i am on the phone with one guy for 10 minutes i may miss a few calls, and as soon as i hang up there is another phone line to catch. thats ALL day. i dont ignore anyone, i am just one guy trying to make alot of folks happy and cant keep up with all the phone calls.
 

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I just added another clutch to my order......No trouble getting in touch today and It will ship out tonite with my Mav Clutch....Most Ive ever waited to talk to him was 4 days and he was slammed but I just kept calling....Good things come to those who wait..:wink:
 

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Truly custom made products do not sit in stock, that is what makes them "Custom". I bet I could teach you a few things about business pal

Let me know if you ever get into drag racing. I have a few shops I can put you in touch with. Great custom work but no telling when you are gonna get it done or if they are gonna answer their phone.

In all seriousness this and the car customizing business are two industries that can get away with highway robbery and some of the worst customer service then turn around and be praised for delivering something that should have never in a million years taken as long. For the record I am not pointing fingers but its post like the one above that seem to make it ok for a shop to have poor business ethics. If the guy is that busy for that long do you think he might have by now have hired someone to help? Just a simple question. I can understand an occasional back order due to him not producing the raw material but this seems to be a daily occurrence and in Adam's defense it is not only him at fault here. In our line of work things like this will not be tolerated and while its on a much much bigger scale the principle remains the same. Sorry for the rant but just a few things I have put in the back of my mind from my drag racing days and now here. Seems to be all one in the same. It's ashame really....
 

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Let me know if you ever get into drag racing. I have a few shops I can put you in touch with. Great custom work but no telling when you are gonna get it done or if they are gonna answer their phone.

In all seriousness this and the car customizing business are two industries that can get away with highway robbery and some of the worst customer service then turn around and be praised for delivering something that should have never in a million years taken as long. For the record I am not pointing fingers but its post like the one above that seem to make it ok for a shop to have poor business ethics. If the guy is that busy for that long do you think he might have by now have hired someone to help? Just a simple question. I can understand an occasional back order due to him not producing the raw material but this seems to be a daily occurrence and in Adam's defense it is not only him at fault here. In our line of work things like this will not be tolerated and while its on a much much bigger scale the principle remains the same. Sorry for the rant but just a few things I have put in the back of my mind from my drag racing days and now here. Seems to be all one in the same. It's ashame really....
Sorry but I am not feeling it.. We are not talking about life or death matters here. Different people have different priorities and timelines I guess. If you can't handle waiting don't buy something you have to wait for. If you read my original post you will see I wrote that I felt up to two weeks would be the acceptable wait time for something like this. What do you feel is acceptable? I have been waiting for my Mav for 6 months, but I did't go buy an XP. Adam wants to handle every single aspect of his business himself, who is anyone to tell him how to run his business?

I will wait and get a clutch that I know he has worked on and tuned personally. You can buy from someone else thats fast, cheap and answers the phone and get what you get, it might not be tuned correctly but a least it you will have someone to talk to while you try and trouble shoot it over the phone later. People can vote with their wallets.

For those who do want quality work and are willing to wait a day or two for it I can also recommend QSC. Very happy with the last setup I got from them. Unfortunatly they do not have a Mav setup yet as they are in Wisconsin and are having trouble getting their hands on one just like us poor saps up in Canada..

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Sorry but I am not feeling it.. We are not talking about life or death matters here. Different people have different priorities and timelines I guess. If you can't handle waiting don't buy something you have to wait for. If you read my original post you will see I wrote that I felt up to two weeks would be the acceptable wait time for something like this. What do you feel is acceptable? I have been waiting for my Mav for 6 months, but I did't go buy an XP. Adam wants to handle every single aspect of his business himself, who is anyone to tell him how to run his business?

I will wait and get a clutch that I know he has worked on and tuned personally. You can buy from someone else thats fast, cheap and answers the phone and get what you get, it might not be tuned correctly but a least it you will have someone to talk to while you try and trouble shoot it over the phone later. People can vote with their wallets.

For those who do want quality work and are willing to wait a day or two for it I can also recommend QSC. Very happy with the last setup I got from them. Unfortunatly they do not have a Mav setup yet as they are in Wisconsin and are having trouble getting their hands on one just like us poor saps up in Canada..

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Nope not telling him how to run his business. Never my intention. I will however never do business with him because of this. I spent a lot of money on my previous project and went though this same type of service. Not an acceptable business practice in my eyes there fore I will choose not to use him. That's my choice. Also you say "tuned personally". Once again I've been in the performance stuff for a long time (mainly drag racing) but unless Adam or anyone for that matter puts their hands on that machine and makes changes accordingly then the tune or clutch is "canned". Nothing custom about it. You can make assumptions but that's all it is. Now when we start talking timing and A/F ratios you can do email data logs but once again. It's not the same. There are to many variables(fuel,DA,BP ect.......) You mentioned QSC. Your right they do have a great product and I personally have had great luck with them. Very easily tunable and was, as you would agree I assume, to be leaps and bounds over stock. I chose this route because of the tunability, reliability, customer service and availability. If I thought air dam was that much better and easier to reach I may have went that route. I guess in the end we can agree to disagree. I'm sure you work hard for your money as the rest of us and choose to spend it where you want. Good luck with the maverick!!
 

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I can attest to what Adam said about Catvos selling that CV Tech for a 1000 to a customer with an 800 XMR because that happened to be my buddy. He sent his to adam the same time i ordered mine and within a week we both had our clutches back. Sadly Catvos told my buddy that the clutch they sold him was an Airdam Clutch.Once installed, it gave him nothing but trouble. He contacted adam and got it fixed and now is extremely happy with the performance. Point is this, if u dont want to wait then take ur business elsewhere. If u dont mind waiting then get ur clutch directly from the man that builds it for u. I've seen more Adam bashing NOT by people who got there clutches directly from him but by either people who vend for other brands or people who got their clutches from a place claiming they were selling airdam. And to be honest its mostly the other vendors doing the bashing. I'll say this to all of you vendors, i choose my business by quality and personality. Adam turns out a quality product and is an extremely nice and helpful guy. We as consumers are reading all the shit u post on these forums and on facebook. And when u claim his clutches are crap or "not as good", we KNOW ur full of shit because we also know what we have seen on OUR machines and our buddies machines. What happens to a clutch with a 50 shot of nitrous is NOT a concern for 90% of us nor is that nitrous drag junkie buying the majority of ur clutches. Be careful the lies that u because we are not as stupid as u may think.
 

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Nope not telling him how to run his business. Never my intention. I will however never do business with him because of this. I spent a lot of money on my previous project and went though this same type of service. Not an acceptable business practice in my eyes there fore I will choose not to use him. That's my choice. Also you say "tuned personally". Once again I've been in the performance stuff for a long time (mainly drag racing) but unless Adam or anyone for that matter puts their hands on that machine and makes changes accordingly then the tune or clutch is "canned". Nothing custom about it. You can make assumptions but that's all it is. Now when we start talking timing and A/F ratios you can do email data logs but once again. It's not the same. There are to many variables(fuel,DA,BP ect.......) You mentioned QSC. Your right they do have a great product and I personally have had great luck with them. Very easily tunable and was, as you would agree I assume, to be leaps and bounds over stock. I chose this route because of the tunability, reliability, customer service and availability. If I thought air dam was that much better and easier to reach I may have went that route. I guess in the end we can agree to disagree. I'm sure you work hard for your money as the rest of us and choose to spend it where you want. Good luck with the maverick!!
I tried to check my A/F ratio's and send email data logs but then I realized I don't have a Maverick LMAO! I have to disagree on the "nothing custom about it". I am buying for a stock maverick, I do not yet have a Maverick but when I do I want to have a clutch sitting here waiting along with my 34" terminator tires. Adam has had and tested a stock Maverick with big mud tires. He is going to machine it and optimize the setup of the primary and STM secondary to properly turn my tires/maximize power to the ground and it going to give me two setups, one with high stall for pit racing, and one with low stall for general trail/mud riding. I may have to tweak it a bit for my machine, and adjust as I add other mods but it is going to be damn close (at least it better be). Does that not qualify as custom? It will not get any closer to being custom for me as I will not be making the 2 day drive to haul my Mav to him. Are you saying I would get the same results if I ordered a Trail Bloc from Quebec and an STM secondary from Supreme Tool and bolted it on? Are you saying he is going to give me the same canned setup as a guy running the dunes with 26" tires or that the clutch I get from him will be the same as he sells to an 800 Outlander owner? Perhaps it is not a custom tune in your eye's but it is very likely a lot better than anything else ready to go at the moment.
 

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I can attest to what Adam said about Catvos selling that CV Tech for a 1000 to a customer with an 800 XMR because that happened to be my buddy. He sent his to adam the same time i ordered mine and within a week we both had our clutches back. Sadly Catvos told my buddy that the clutch they sold him was an Airdam Clutch.Once installed, it gave him nothing but trouble. He contacted adam and got it fixed and now is extremely happy with the performance. Point is this, if u dont want to wait then take ur business elsewhere. If u dont mind waiting then get ur clutch directly from the man that builds it for u. I've seen more Adam bashing NOT by people who got there clutches directly from him but by either people who vend for other brands or people who got their clutches from a place claiming they were selling airdam. And to be honest its mostly the other vendors doing the bashing. I'll say this to all of you vendors, i choose my business by quality and personality. Adam turns out a quality product and is an extremely nice and helpful guy. We as consumers are reading all the shit u post on these forums and on facebook. And when u claim his clutches are crap or "not as good", we KNOW ur full of shit because we also know what we have seen on OUR machines and our buddies machines. What happens to a clutch with a 50 shot of nitrous is NOT a concern for 90% of us nor is that nitrous drag junkie buying the majority of ur clutches. Be careful the lies that u because we are not as stupid as u may think.
I was once a full blown consumer, but now I'm on both sides. So I have a pretty good understanding of how everything works. When I was racing CV Tech had just started making it's way out into the ATV scene. Adam @ QSC actually messed around with them before he starting building the QSC clutches. True story. I could sit here and write up a 6 page paper on why a roller clutch is more efficient than a non roller style. When it comes to tuning and setting them up it's like watching an old tube TV versus watching a 3D TV. Night and day. Will the CV Tech work for your every day rider? Sure. My customers have just had BETTER luck with QSC's. I've had my hands on the trailboc, I've replaced them, sent them off, tested them, etc etc. It is what it is. At the end of the day you'll decide where to go.

The moral of this story and this thread. Is, business is business. Everyone seems to be taking things for face value without knowing the behind the factual information. Brent at Performance ATV is a personal friend of mine and I remember when he was first deciding to make the swap from getting his clutches through Adam to getting them directly from CV Tech. It wasn't an easy decision, he was stressed about it and felt bad. But, it's just the way the cookie crumbles. Brent's demand, for his customers and his business, wasn't fulfilled the way he needed it to be, so they went else where. Cut and dry.

To this day I'll sell anyone a clutch for Adam. I wish I had the financial backing to place a bulk order and keep them in stock. Help him out. Service them, be a third party type thing. Because on his end the demand as exceeded the supply as well. There are more than one way to running a successful business. And I too am facing the same problems. Finding someone that has the "want to" and the passion for this that we do is next to impossible. And the ones we do know are separated by hundreds of miles. Luckily I've had the luxury of not allowing my business to outgrow me. It may be a pain at times, but I manage.

Like I said before, I hate when things get twisted and taken out of context. But that's life. Right?

Oh and Brian, I never got that call....
 

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I tried to check my A/F ratio's and send email data logs but then I realized I don't have a Maverick LMAO! I have to disagree on the "nothing custom about it". I am buying for a stock maverick, I do not yet have a Maverick but when I do I want to have a clutch sitting here waiting along with my 34" terminator tires. Adam has had and tested a stock Maverick with big mud tires. He is going to machine it and optimize the setup of the primary and STM secondary to properly turn my tires/maximize power to the ground and it going to give me two setups, one with high stall for pit racing, and one with low stall for general trail/mud riding. I may have to tweak it a bit for my machine, and adjust as I add other mods but it is going to be damn close (at least it better be). Does that not qualify as custom? It will not get any closer to being custom for me as I will not be making the 2 day drive to haul my Mav to him. Are you saying I would get the same results if I ordered a Trail Bloc from Quebec and an STM secondary from Supreme Tool and bolted it on? Are you saying he is going to give me the same canned setup as a guy running the dunes with 26" tires or that the clutch I get from him will be the same as he sells to an 800 Outlander owner? Perhaps it is not a custom tune in your eye's but it is very likely a lot better than anything else ready to go at the moment.

I could sit here and give you my reasoning and it would be a waste of time. Call it what you want and enjoy the hell out of it. A the end of the day I will have my machine set up the way I want and you will do the same. Like I've said before. Good luck with everything.
 
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