If you are even contemplating the 800, you don't ride as hard as you think.

The 800 will be a slouch coming out of the corners...you may not need the high HP all the time, but when running tight trails fast, you need power to get past a corner...even the 75hp of the 1000 is somewhat light.

 

I'm not implying I'm a hard rider. I just don't want to feel like I'm driving a slow, yellow school bus through the woods. I want to be able to have this machine be exciting and fun, but also be well suited for riding comfortably with my family which is the primary function.

So again, I'm not looking to be a GNCC racer with this thing, but I don't want it to be totally anemic either. And also, no I have never owned a SSV, only borrowed/rented to this point. Actually my only current vehicles are a Yam Bruin 350 and a CRF150F. Both examples of cheap rigs that are slow but fun to drive fast when you want (since they're not really designed for it). Sometime just pushing the throttle to wide open is more fun than actually going super fast (in my opinion). I owned a DS450X for a summer and just never really enjoyed riding it through the woods never really being able to get it out of 1st and 2nd gear.

Lastly to answer @Hawk, my wife has ridden in a Maverick with me before and she didn't mind the nets.

Edit: Also, $3400 can get you some decent accessories...

 

I don't know if you have a sxs now but I also thought the nets were better then doors or even wanted to remove the nets and just have it open. BUT the wife wanted doors to feel safer. Well we have dragon fire doors with door bags and without a doubt it is MY favorite change we have made to our mav.

i felt the same, 1000 or turbo? I bought the turbo because you don't have to use all the power but you can if you want to, if you don't have it there is no option

 

There never seems to be enough power so I would go with the 1000.

 

My comment wasn't meant to be a jab, I apologize if it was taken that way.

There is a hold-out in my riding group with a RZR 800 and rides hard and breaks stuff CONSTANTLY (besides the point, just making a jab at Poopoo). We lose him in the corners 9 times out of 10. Power is needed if wanting to ride tight trails relatively fast. I actually prefer nets over doors, but with the new trail only offered in 800 with nets, I would adapt to a door...

Put it this way. You'll never find yourself saying "Damn, I wish I had less power". But you WILL find yourself saying at some point in time "A little more power wouldn't hurt"

We ride Nemadji State Forest about 70% of the time and about 30% around Hurley/Mercer or Black River Falls.

 

Makes sense! Are you rocking a MavT in Nemadji? How does it do? We own property a couple miles from Nemadji and will be spending a lot of time in there with this new rig.

 

I had an 800 and if I had others in the car going on even a slight uphill climb maybe 2 degree top speed was about 25 mph. On forest roads on a straightaway max speeds would be about 30 to 35 mph and I always felt like my foot was crushing the floorboard. If you want to puttt puttt through the woods an 800 is great, if you want to thrill your passengers one in a while or even get a pucker factor or two going you will find the 1000 works but even then you will at times most likely wish there was turbo attached. If you have enough power and do not use it no issue, however if you do not have enough power you will be aware of it all the time, I mean ALL THE TIME!!

 

Question

Was it a 2018 or 2019 Maverick Trail or another brand?


My wife's 2010 RZR is much stronger and faster than that at 13,000'??

Curious??

 

No, an OG XXC that will probably be replaced with a Sport. It does great. I've gone down a couple of the 50" trails (I know, arrest me) and it's not the best idea, even in a 50" it can be tough on the machine. I've seen a couple of them out there this year.

 

Nice. Yeah they Class 1 trails in there are very snug. We bumped into a guy running a Pioneer 500 on one and that vehicle seemed huge on that trail. You try pushing your luck out on the paved roads much? I can't imagine the local authorities care too much considering the volume of off-road traffic in that area. Would be nice to make runs down to the General Store from our place up near Nickerson...

 

Get the 1000...you may not use all the power all the time but if and when you do it's there for you...the other way no.....JMO!!

 

As the overused slogan goes; "there's no free lunch"...

Without question, I'm pleased having bought MavT 1000 DPS vs the lessor MavT 800cc version due to standard features included with 1000 DPS. Now that MavS 1000R is finally out, would have I bought one instead of MavT even with much higher MSRP? Maybe, because all specs other than the wider 60" track appeal to me for the local trails I run. The "free lunch" comment pertains to differences between MavT 1000cc 75hp vs MavS 1000cc 100hp. Higher state of tune to extract 33% additional peak power generally results in higher rate of fuel consumption. Maybe not an issue for those who run fast in wide open spaces, however MavT was seemingly designed for (um) trails where miles per tank is an important factor, even when spare fuel is carried in one or more Rotopax jugs as many of us do. The OP asked for quantifiable data on fuel consumption. Seems too early to know until forum members owning each model/engine version (MavT 800cc 50hp vs 1000cc 75hp and MavT 1000cc 75hp vs MavS 1000cc 100hp) report real-world numbers. My suspicion is that MavT with 1000cc provides greater mid-range torque than the smaller 800cc while consuming less fuel than MavS 1000cc in similar conditions.

Other aspects of MavT vs MavS might include slightly better ergos in MavS due to wider doors vs perhaps being somewhat less suitable for narrow trails than MavT. I'm reminded of a local run several of us did Monday of last week, where one rig in our group broke soon after we entered a narrow trail with tight twisty turns littered with large rocks and trees at trail edge. The 2 700cc ATVs and 3 50" class Arctic Cat Wildcats plus my MavT had no problems, however the only 60" class UTV among us being a Mav 1000R bent/snapped his RH tie-rod. Quite the ordeal getting his rig back to pavement to an awaiting trailer. Sorry for yet another cliche' but its a reminder that "bigger isn't better".

 

Can anyone explain why the MavT 800(51hp) is so de-tuned compared to the Commander 800 (71hp)?

I bought the 800 DPS for my wife and daughter to ride, they don't need the power and the $3k savings buys allot of accessories.

I still don't really understand the output of these two engines. A 50hp v twin 800 is pretty anemic by today's standards which makes me think these engines are seriously de-tuned to satisfy something, marketing, legal etc.

 

• Fuel Economy: I've heard a few posts about the range on the 800 being measurably better. Has anyone quantified this yet?

Not compared an 800, but my 1000 runs mid-teens on heavy-foot conditions (lots of on/off/on) and low 20s on more open stuff. RR grades and forest roads averaging 40MPH, we consistently pulls 23MPG.

 

Yes we do, and to be clear I haven't even driven it on a trail. Around my 2 acre yard it has plenty of power, no idea how that will translate into trail riding though.

I am really interested in hearing why the Commander 800 has 71hp and the MavT has 50? Are they sandbagging to release more power later in the models life?

edit: This machine is for my wife and daughter but my logic was if my buddies MavMax has a 1000 and it weighs 2xx more pounds and carries 4 people usually on rides (another 2xx-5xx lbs) and has 100 ish hp then this machine at the much reduced size and weight will be fine with a 800.

Do ya'll remember when ATV's were sub 400CC's ???

 

More 1000 DPS Considerations = Why I chose it.

*Besides 1000 DPS has unlocking rear diff = Mileage (You can unlock front and rear) 800 DPS has this too
*1000 DPS has Eco Mode = Mileage ​800 DPS has this too
*1000DPS also you don't need to rev it out and has very responsive throttle and major torque (climbs)
*Low Gear is a true Granny Gear. You can seriously lug down in High and it pulls excellently Even at very high altitude 10,000' to 13,000' no problem.
*Also you only get the rapid engagement front diff lock on the 1000DPS which is crucial for real rock crawling. I wouldn't have bought if it wasn't for that option. 800 and 1000 DPS have the same front Diff, only the base 800 has different diff.

They already have serious custom tunes out for the 1000 It is rpm limited NOT clutch limited (mechanical)

I'm referring to the Trail Model 50" only.

See my comments above in red. As far as I could tell when researching the 800 DPS VS 1000 DPS the difference was one has doors and one doesn't.

 

My buddy that has the 800 seems to like it quite a bit. However once you go up in altitude it does become noticeably sluggish. I think he stuck w/ the 800 for fuel mileage.

 

Turbo?? In Trail model??

 

This is Canadian built. = Cautious

I'm sure the 50" width is why its not faster. The RZR is pretty much the same in the 50"

The Can Am is rpm limited. There are companies re-flashing right now. One in Mesa Az. I plan on stopping there on the way to KOH in February.

 

Only the 1000 DPS has the QE quick lock in the front. Go to their site and place the 1000Dps next to the non DPS 1000 and 800.

THE "diff" is same, but the front locker is NOT. QE only on DPS models

Without the QE locker I would not have bought the machine. CanAm wasn't known for a great locker and I ride Moab and south of Moab areas a lot and need reliable locker for rock crawling. Live SW Colorado.

(Don't know about 2019)

 

Only the 1000 DPS has the QE quick lock in the front.

NOT true...ALL DPS machines have a QE, including the 800....Any non-DPS machine has the standard visco-loc.

 

And to make sure the horse is dead...

From 2018MAVERICK™TRAIL DPS

The DPS packages list the following.
SPECIFIC TO DPS PACKAGE• Dynamic Power Steering (DPS™)• Lockable rear differential and Visco-Lok‡ QE auto-locking front differential• SPORT / ECO™ modes• 12-in. (30.5 cm) aluminum wheels• Ergoprint seats with grey stitching• Unique Can-Am LED signature• Painted color options

 

If you are in MN then you are probably familiar with snowmobiles and the two most popular engine sizes, 600cc and 800cc. The "little" 600's will top out around 102 mph and the 800's around 108 mph. Out on the lake - Zero to 70 they are usually dead even to 70 mph and then the 800 starts to slowly pull away.
On twisty trails, it's 100% driver ability as to which is fastest. 99.9% of the time that extra 200cc is useless.
Back to UTV's.
I have an 800 Commander and 1000 Maverick (71 and 101 hp) and on tight WI trails, the Maverick is no faster. There is just no place to use that extra HP. I've even taken a 28 HP Honda Pioneer 500 on the same trails and it almost hangs with the others (thou the pedal is to the floor all the time) until the others really start pushing it and with under 7 inches of suspension it's not able to handle rough trails at speed.
If you are a good driver, a torquey 50 HP UTV can go way faster than its suspension can handle, and you will not be HP limited, but suspension and driver ability to control limited.
And because the the 800 Trail is the same high torque tune as the Defender, it's going to punch well above its 50 HP rating, and good torque is more important for corner to corner acceleration than WOT high rpm HP.
I think the 800 DPS is plenty good for Midwest trails.
Not that HP doesn't have its place. Desert riding in sand washes sucks HP and in those conditions it takes something above 90 or 100 HP to get exciting - provided you have the suspension that can keep you right-side-up.

 

My thoughts exactly. Spinning tires doesn't equal faster or more powerful.

I could definitely be wrong we'll have to wait until next summer to test at altitude.



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mericaneagle Sorry.. you are right. DPS vs non-DPS Thanks.

 

2019 Model Year

Its only that high of a premium if you compare the 800 Base model to the 1000 Dps. If you compare the 800 base to the 1000 base its a $2000 difference suggested price.

You can get the 800 dps for the same price as the Base 1000.

If you like ripping the woods you will love the Proportional Power Steering + all the other stuff you get with the DPS package.

Interested in what you choose and how you like it.

 

You're right.. my bad. Thx

 

1000 Dps all the way!

 

I test drove both machines, I found the 1000DPS to definitely have more oomph but was somewhat noisier. I settled on the smooth output and quietness of the 800DPS. It gave me an extra $2500.00 to buy some accessories. Very happy with the purchase, plus so far it seems to do better on fuel than my 2014 Outlander 650 Max Xt I sold.

 

My bad. BTW the QED is still crap imho. I'm getting the pin locker after winter sets in. Tested it extensively... real rock climbing/crawling Moab, Farmington Rock Garden its terrible. Loose momentum by the time it locks up and when you stop momentarily on an incline, it unlocks and you start over. I couldn't even connect a pull some obstacles that my wife's RZR 800 pulled. My WC Trail with full front locker ate up everything that this machine wouldn't.

 

Excuse my bad english, please.

I have that doubt, 800 or 1k both DPS. I own a country house, over 3000 feet high. To get there, I must go up about 20 km of steep roads.

These asphalted rural roads, in some stretches are about 15% slope. I wouldn´t like climbing too slow, for safety, as other drivers run a lot :serious:.

I don´t need more than 30-35 mph climbing asphalt. Would I get that with the 800 DPS? I guess in sport mode :smile:

With the saved money, one could get some nice upgrades: tires, suspensions, roof...

Thanks in advance!